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15541 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 8:19am
Subject: RE: Lift Spacer Question
Dan,
Tera makes what they call a 3/4" spacer that will not void the warranty on
your springs. They state that if you go over this, they won't cover a
spring defect. IMO, you could go larger than this but might want to
increase the bump stop extensions in order to prevent over compressing the
springs.
With that said, I run their 3/4" spacer on my 2T lift, but in the "thicker"
mode. Let me explain. The spacer is about 1.5" thick. One would usually
remove the rubber isolator at the top of the coil spring before installing
the spacers. Since these are about .5"~.75" thick, you are really only
gaining 3/4" of spacer lift when everything is back together. I installed
mine without removing the rubber isolators and so get a little extra lift.
I've had them this way for a year now and can not detect a change on my
springs. Oh yeah, I did not increase the bump stops either.
As you said, a lot of folks run them in combination with the coil suspension
lift. And the fact that the manufacturer makes them.....can't be all that
bad, right?
When I bought the Tera spacers, I paid $72 for a set of four, including
shipping. I'm not sure if one of the local folks can match that or not. If
they can't drop me a note and I'll pass on the applicable info if you want
to mail order them.
Later.....Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ DM33vm
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.qsl.net/n7qjp
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
Developer of VKE Digital Voice Keyer
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:43 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Lift Spacer Question
Are there any drawbacks (serious enough to warrant not doing it) to
putting an extra inch in spacers to my 3" Teraflex on a TJ. I've
seen a good many jeep descriptions that have it done, and was
wondering what everyone thought? I've seen them for about $100 or
so, and seems like a pretty inexpensive way to get some more lift.
Dan
'00 TJ
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15542 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:32am
Subject: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal this
Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
Scott Edwards
white '97 TJ
15543 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:29am
Subject: RE: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Scott are you locked in the rear now?
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:32 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal this
Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
Scott Edwards
white '97 TJ
15544 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:42am
Subject: Re: D30 KNUCKLE??
My understanding is YES! I've got all of the years and stuff around here
somewhere that I will try to dig up. Your best choice is a flat topped
version D44 knuckle. Then go find a set of Ford hubs and rotors (don't have
the exact year with me here) and calipers. This will get you the 5 on 5.5
(assuming this is a CJ) bolt pattern with internally splined hubs. Here is
an excerpt from an article on the web about the combinations of front
parts. Keep in mind that D44 knuckles are swapable onto the D30 axle. From
there out it gets fun. :-)
Excerpt from article by John Nutter:
There are many possible outer setups for a Dana 44. One of the most comon is
to use CJ outers with Scout II stub
shafts. CJ outer knuckles will bolt onto most Dana 44 inner knuckles with
no problems, making this an easy swap for CJ
owners who build their Dana 44 to the same width as their Dana 30 and
desire to keep their same steering and brakes.
This is a good combination, but leaves you with the bolt on style lockouts
from the CJ. Bolt on lockouts can work loose
and leak water into the wheel bearings and they are not as strong as the
internal style lockouts used on 1/2 ton
trucks.
1/2 ton truck outers are a step up from re-using CJ parts. The stub shafts
are a bit thicker and the internal type
lockouts are stronger and less likley to leak water into the wheel
bearings. There are several combinations of parts
than can yeild a 5, 6 or 8 bolt wheel pattern. The outer knuckles from most
open knuckle Dana 44s will interchange,
but there are some oddball parts out there so be sure to measure and
compare.
A common setup is to use '77 or earlier Wagoneer or Chevy outer knuckles
and brakes combined with '77 or earlier
Chevy or Wagoneer disc brake spindles and F-150 hubs, rotors, bearings and
seals. This combination yeilds a 5 on 5
1/2" wheel bolt pattern and has 1/2 ton outers. These knuckles have the
flat top needed for a high clearance steering
conversion. The '77 and earlier disc brake spindles are specified becuase
in '78 the inner wheel bearing was made larger
in Chevy and Wagoneer outers and the F-150 hubs and rotors will no longer
work. Replacement parts for Chevy and
Wagoneer brakes are among the cheapest and these brakes also have the
reputation of working well in vehicles much
heavier than a CJ.
Chevy or Wagoner parts can be used if a six lug outer is desired. Chevy or
Ford can be used to make eight lug outers.
It is also possible to use Ford outers to get the 5 bolt wheel pattern, but
in most cases these will have a larger spindle
index hole and different spindle bolt pattern, limiting them to 5 and 8
bolt wheel patterns and Ford brakes.
--
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Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
15545 From: Mike Anderson <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:44am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
I will go if I am not set-up enough to do Predator with Ross. Raw
Deal is a fun little, moderate trip. Let me know if anyone out there
has an empty seat, as I have my neice and a few friends (girls) that
want to go tomorrow and I don't think I have room for everyone in my
Jeep.
Mike Anderson
97 TJ
15546 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:46am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
No, I'm not locked yet.
I have been through Raw Deal before. Once in my last jeep in the
rain. It was locked at both ends. And once on a motorcycle. I think I
can get through it in my TJ. It will just take a little work in a
couple spots.
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Scott are you locked in the rear now?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:32 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
>
>
> I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
> feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal this
> Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
> flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
>
> Scott Edwards
> white '97 TJ
15547 From: Jewkes, Kris <kjewkes@f...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 9:51am
Subject: RE: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Just one dumb question. Where is table mesa road, and how do you get there?
Also how long does raw deal take to run?
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:46 AM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
No, I'm not locked yet.
I have been through Raw Deal before. Once in my last jeep in the
rain. It was locked at both ends. And once on a motorcycle. I think I
can get through it in my TJ. It will just take a little work in a
couple spots.
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> Scott are you locked in the rear now?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:32 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
>
>
> I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
> feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal this
> Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
> flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
>
> Scott Edwards
> white '97 TJ
15548 From: Rick Micola <scrambler@q...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 10:09am
Subject: Kind of odd question
Hey All,
Does anyone know the exact weight of a full steel CJ/YJ door? I have a "person" scale at home but I don't think the weight distributes on it correctly.
I need to know this for shipping purposes and I can't find the weight of the door anywhere.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Rick Micola
'83 CJ-8
Mesa, AZ
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15549 From: Roxie <Roxie@t...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 10:25am
Subject: Send to USDA Forest Service
Taken from the Jeep-L - it doesn't get any easier. Print, sign, and send!!
*******************
Scott Conroy, Project Director
USDA Forest Service
National Forest System Roadless Project
PO Box 96090
Washington DC 20090-6090
(703) 605-5299
December 8, 2000
Members of the USDA Forest Service:
I have reviewed the "Final Environmental Impact Statement", November 2000
issued by the USDA Forest Service and would like to convey my opinion that
closing off large areas of the National Forest to motorized vehicles is a
HUGE mistake. The roads, which are outlined to be "closed" impact social,
environmental and economic well being in this country. These roads permit
recreation opportunity, prevention of wildfire, and abundance of natural
resources.
Social Impact of Roads in National Forests:
The country's National Forests are the last undeveloped areas for families
to enjoy. These areas are enjoyed by hikers, fishermen, hunters, equestrian
groups and Off-Road Vehicles (4x4, motorcycle and snowmobiles). While
parking in designated areas can access perimeter areas, access will be
effectively denied to deeper regions that contain hunting, fishing and
camping opportunities. Roads and trails permit ready access to these areas
so that time can be spent appreciating nature on day-long trips through-out
the year. Without roads hiking would be necessary to get to these lands,
which would require longer trips less frequently.
The federal government has made anti-violence tactics a priority over the
past several years. I can think of no method more effective at teaching our
children responsibility for their actions than spending time with the family
in nature. I have personally witnessed this learned behavior in the
children of members of our off-road club. While on trails, these youth have
learned to identify species of wildlife, have cleaned up garbage left behind
by hikers, and have spent work weekends devoted to making their national
forests clean and safe.
Environmental and Economic Impact of Roads in National Forests:
Contrary to belief, man's objective is not to harm the environment. As I
have stated above, off-road users in clubs across the nation spend millions
of hours per year protecting national forests from garbage disposal, erosion
and forest fire. Work weekends are designated throughout the year as
daylong events to preserve these areas. Volunteer "off-highway" users bring
equipment deep into wooded areas to make it possible to clear fire lanes in
an attempt to prevent or slow wildfire. Roads make it possible for
equipment to be hauled in, and for fire lanes to be established.
According to your report an additional 95,000 acres of Roadless Areas will
be subject to catastrophic wildfire under the FEIS. When these areas catch
on fire, the agency will spend an estimated $52.4 million on fire fighting.
If the rule was NOT implemented these 95,000 acres could receive
timber-related fuels treatment and therefore reduce or eliminate the risk of
catastrophic fire If the rule was NOT implemented the Forest Service could
use this $52.4 million to maintain 675 miles of Level 2,
high-clearance-vehicle recreation roads for 839 years. That's right - if the
Forest Service allowed just 675 miles of roads to be built over five years
for timber-related fuels treatment of these 95,000 acres, they could then
maintain those same roads for 839 years for the same cost it be to fight
fires in these areas.
Clearly one argument made by the "environmental" lobbyists is that native
species are disturbed by the presence of these roads. I have personally
seen whitetail deer, wild turkey, bald eagles and many other native animal
species during my trips in the woods with my Jeep. In fact, sound
biological data reveals that deer and turkey prefer to travel in open lanes
created by "roads" and fire lanes. Road use in National forests are no
longer the "tear them up" events of the past. Nearly all off-highway
vehicle users now adhere to "tread lightly" guidelines that promote sound
environmental strategies. Most ORV users now deflate tire pressure to 5-10
psi, which makes the tread softer and wider so it does not dig into the
soil. Furthermore, most ORV users increase their gear ratio up to 100:1,
allowing travel speed at less than 1mph. Both methods reduce or eliminate
soil erosion associated with vehicles in natural road areas.
I hope you will consider the positive impact roads have in our national
forests and conclude that increasing roadless areas would have devastating
social, environmental and economic impacts on our country.
Thank you,
******************
-Stacy-Michelle
TheJeepGoddess.com
"Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls"
15550 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 10:53am
Subject: Att Kris
Table mesa is north of Phx. on I17. it's about 10 miles north of ANTHEM..
the new fandangled sub division that rich people live in.... :}
Dave
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15551 From: Scott Edwards <azcj@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 11:05am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
You can find out a lot of trail info on the azvjc website under the
trails section.
Here are the directions it gives:
Proceed North from Phoenix via I-17. Exit the freeway at the Table
Mesa Road turnoff (between New River and Black Canyon City). Turn
west, crossing over the freeway, and then turn right onto the access
road that parallels the freeway. Proceed 1.7 miles down the tar road,
which shortly turns into gravel. The trail starts off the left side
of the road, just before you get to the first "Y".
The trail is 1.2 miles. I'm not sure how long it will take. All
depends on the number of vehicles and how they are setup.
-Scott E.
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Jewkes, Kris" <kjewkes@f...> wrote:
> Just one dumb question. Where is table mesa road, and how do you
get there?
>
>
> Also how long does raw deal take to run?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:46 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
>
>
> No, I'm not locked yet.
>
> I have been through Raw Deal before. Once in my last jeep in the
> rain. It was locked at both ends. And once on a motorcycle. I think
I
> can get through it in my TJ. It will just take a little work in a
> couple spots.
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> > Scott are you locked in the rear now?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:32 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
> >
> >
> > I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
> > feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal
this
> > Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
> > flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
> >
> > Scott Edwards
> > white '97 TJ
15552 From: NAU88XJ <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 11:17am
Subject: Reminder - Broken Arrow Tomorrow
Just a reminder that there is a group going to Broken Arrow tomorrow. So far on the list of people coming I have:
myself Kevin
Bryan Loveless
Jayson Taylor
Brandon Harper
Michael Smith
there are a couple more non club members coming from flag...but other than that, if there is someone else, please tell me so that we dont start the trail before you get there.
We are meeting at 10ish at the trailhead.
kevin
15553 From: JEEP THANG <Grafik_Lar@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 11:52am
Subject: Re: Send to USDA Forest Service
Just put it in the Mail
Sincerely: Larry George
JEEP THANG
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Roxie" <Roxie@t...> wrote:
> Taken from the Jeep-L - it doesn't get any easier. Print, sign,
and send!!
>
> *******************
> Scott Conroy, Project Director
> USDA Forest Service
> National Forest System Roadless Project
> PO Box 96090
> Washington DC 20090-6090
> (703) 605-5299
>
> December 8, 2000
>
> Members of the USDA Forest Service:
>
> I have reviewed the "Final Environmental Impact Statement",
November 2000
> issued by the USDA Forest Service and would like to convey my
opinion that
> closing off large areas of the National Forest to motorized
vehicles is a
> HUGE mistake. The roads, which are outlined to be "closed" impact
social,
> environmental and economic well being in this country. These roads
permit
> recreation opportunity, prevention of wildfire, and abundance of
natural
> resources.
>
> Social Impact of Roads in National Forests:
> The country's National Forests are the last undeveloped areas for
families
> to enjoy. These areas are enjoyed by hikers, fishermen, hunters,
equestrian
> groups and Off-Road Vehicles (4x4, motorcycle and snowmobiles).
While
> parking in designated areas can access perimeter areas, access will
be
> effectively denied to deeper regions that contain hunting, fishing
and
> camping opportunities. Roads and trails permit ready access to
these areas
> so that time can be spent appreciating nature on day-long trips
through-out
> the year. Without roads hiking would be necessary to get to these
lands,
> which would require longer trips less frequently.
>
> The federal government has made anti-violence tactics a priority
over the
> past several years. I can think of no method more effective at
teaching our
> children responsibility for their actions than spending time with
the family
> in nature. I have personally witnessed this learned behavior in the
> children of members of our off-road club. While on trails, these
youth have
> learned to identify species of wildlife, have cleaned up garbage
left behind
> by hikers, and have spent work weekends devoted to making their
national
> forests clean and safe.
>
> Environmental and Economic Impact of Roads in National Forests:
> Contrary to belief, man's objective is not to harm the
environment. As I
> have stated above, off-road users in clubs across the nation spend
millions
> of hours per year protecting national forests from garbage
disposal, erosion
> and forest fire. Work weekends are designated throughout the year
as
> daylong events to preserve these areas. Volunteer "off-highway"
users bring
> equipment deep into wooded areas to make it possible to clear fire
lanes in
> an attempt to prevent or slow wildfire. Roads make it possible for
> equipment to be hauled in, and for fire lanes to be established.
>
> According to your report an additional 95,000 acres of Roadless
Areas will
> be subject to catastrophic wildfire under the FEIS. When these
areas catch
> on fire, the agency will spend an estimated $52.4 million on fire
fighting.
> If the rule was NOT implemented these 95,000 acres could receive
> timber-related fuels treatment and therefore reduce or eliminate
the risk of
> catastrophic fire If the rule was NOT implemented the Forest
Service could
> use this $52.4 million to maintain 675 miles of Level 2,
> high-clearance-vehicle recreation roads for 839 years. That's
right - if the
> Forest Service allowed just 675 miles of roads to be built over
five years
> for timber-related fuels treatment of these 95,000 acres, they
could then
> maintain those same roads for 839 years for the same cost it be to
fight
> fires in these areas.
>
> Clearly one argument made by the "environmental" lobbyists is that
native
> species are disturbed by the presence of these roads. I have
personally
> seen whitetail deer, wild turkey, bald eagles and many other native
animal
> species during my trips in the woods with my Jeep. In fact, sound
> biological data reveals that deer and turkey prefer to travel in
open lanes
> created by "roads" and fire lanes. Road use in National forests
are no
> longer the "tear them up" events of the past. Nearly all off-
highway
> vehicle users now adhere to "tread lightly" guidelines that promote
sound
> environmental strategies. Most ORV users now deflate tire pressure
to 5-10
> psi, which makes the tread softer and wider so it does not dig into
the
> soil. Furthermore, most ORV users increase their gear ratio up to
100:1,
> allowing travel speed at less than 1mph. Both methods reduce or
eliminate
> soil erosion associated with vehicles in natural road areas.
>
> I hope you will consider the positive impact roads have in our
national
> forests and conclude that increasing roadless areas would have
devastating
> social, environmental and economic impacts on our country.
>
> Thank you,
>
> ******************
>
> -Stacy-Michelle
> TheJeepGoddess.com
> "Silly Boys, Jeeps are for Girls"
15554 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 11:59am
Subject: Re: Reminder - Broken Arrow Tomorrow
Count me in.
Scott Kruize
99 TJ Locked & 35"
NAU88XJ wrote:
Just a reminder that there is a group going to Broken Arrow tomorrow. So far on the list of people coming I have:
myself Kevin
Bryan Loveless
Jayson Taylor
Brandon Harper
Michael Smith
there are a couple more non club members coming from flag...but other than that, if there is someone else, please tell me so that we dont start the trail before you get there.
We are meeting at 10ish at the trailhead.
kevin
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15556 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 11:37am
Subject: fr 393?
If ya'll pull out your maps and look aways up 87 between to ranch's there is
fr 393 that exits to the west of the highway and ends down near Bartlett
reservoir, following some powerlines. Has anyone been on this road? Is it
the powerline trail I hear about once and a great while? There are all
kinds of roads that lead west into the Mazatzals up there, which is really
hilly country. I'd like to go do some exploring but not without a few
others for safety.
Nick
15557 From: Jewkes, Kris <kjewkes@f...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 0:12pm
Subject: RE: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Just got done looking at the trail description on the website, and I'm
wondering if my little XJ will make it. I have an 88 limited with 4.5" of
lift, 32 X 11.50's and open diffs. Is this trail any harder than lower
Ajax?
Count us (me, wife and kids) in unless you think I would have problems....
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:05 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
You can find out a lot of trail info on the azvjc website under the
trails section.
Here are the directions it gives:
Proceed North from Phoenix via I-17. Exit the freeway at the Table
Mesa Road turnoff (between New River and Black Canyon City). Turn
west, crossing over the freeway, and then turn right onto the access
road that parallels the freeway. Proceed 1.7 miles down the tar road,
which shortly turns into gravel. The trail starts off the left side
of the road, just before you get to the first "Y".
The trail is 1.2 miles. I'm not sure how long it will take. All
depends on the number of vehicles and how they are setup.
-Scott E.
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Jewkes, Kris" <kjewkes@f...> wrote:
> Just one dumb question. Where is table mesa road, and how do you
get there?
>
>
> Also how long does raw deal take to run?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:46 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
>
>
> No, I'm not locked yet.
>
> I have been through Raw Deal before. Once in my last jeep in the
> rain. It was locked at both ends. And once on a motorcycle. I think
I
> can get through it in my TJ. It will just take a little work in a
> couple spots.
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> > Scott are you locked in the rear now?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:32 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
> >
> >
> > I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
> > feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal
this
> > Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
> > flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
> >
> > Scott Edwards
> > white '97 TJ
15558 From: Jon Loveless-CPC <jal@c...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 1:01pm
Subject: 1" lift
I have 1" spring blocks in the rear on a 3" lift. The rear is higher than
the front because I originally had a 200# hardtop and rear seat passengers
to consider. Now, I sold my hardtop and yanked out my rear seat) I am going
to add another 1" block to the front to even things up a bit and allow me
to stuff 35" tires under. I also have 1" body lift, so I will have a total
of 5". The downside is that you won't get as much droop with a 3" plus 1"
as you will with 4". Probably not a big deal except on the toughest of
trails. Another alternative is to trade up with Teraflex to 4" springs. If
you installed the complete Teraflex system you can do this with minimal
problems but it is a more expensive solution.
Jon
15559 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Kris you will do fine on Raw Deal as long as you do not run upper Raw
Deal. lower Ajax and Lower raw deal are very comparable.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jewkes, Kris" <kjewkes@f...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
> Just got done looking at the trail description on the website, and I'm
> wondering if my little XJ will make it. I have an 88 limited with 4.5" of
> lift, 32 X 11.50's and open diffs. Is this trail any harder than lower
> Ajax?
> Count us (me, wife and kids) in unless you think I would have problems....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 12:05 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
>
>
> You can find out a lot of trail info on the azvjc website under the
> trails section.
>
> Here are the directions it gives:
> Proceed North from Phoenix via I-17. Exit the freeway at the Table
> Mesa Road turnoff (between New River and Black Canyon City). Turn
> west, crossing over the freeway, and then turn right onto the access
> road that parallels the freeway. Proceed 1.7 miles down the tar road,
> which shortly turns into gravel. The trail starts off the left side
> of the road, just before you get to the first "Y".
>
> The trail is 1.2 miles. I'm not sure how long it will take. All
> depends on the number of vehicles and how they are setup.
>
> -Scott E.
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Jewkes, Kris" <kjewkes@f...> wrote:
> > Just one dumb question. Where is table mesa road, and how do you
> get there?
> >
> >
> > Also how long does raw deal take to run?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:46 AM
> > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
> >
> >
> > No, I'm not locked yet.
> >
> > I have been through Raw Deal before. Once in my last jeep in the
> > rain. It was locked at both ends. And once on a motorcycle. I think
> I
> > can get through it in my TJ. It will just take a little work in a
> > couple spots.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...> wrote:
> > > Scott are you locked in the rear now?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Edwards [mailto:azcj@y...]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:32 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
> > >
> > >
> > > I just finished installing the 6" RE long arm lift on my TJ and I
> > > feel the need to go break it in. I'm planning to run Raw Deal
> this
> > > Saturday. Is anyone up for that? Planning to meet at noon at the
> > > flat area on Table Mesa Rd where the big dumpster is/was.
> > >
> > > Scott Edwards
> > > white '97 TJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
15560 From: LindaL <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 6:55am
Subject: Scout rear axle w/4 link on XJ
Thought y'all might be interested in this swap.
Look for bulletin board message title: Scout rear end.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/index2.html
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...989&a=10367038
15561 From: Mike Anderson <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 1:58pm
Subject: Willys For Sale
I saw a white Willys for sale on the s.e. corner of 43rd Ave. and
Cactus in the AutoZone parking lot. I don't know much about them and
I don't know what year or anything about it for that matter. I just
drove by it last night and thought I'd let everyone know. It didn't
look like it was in too bad of shape from what I could tell. If
anyone is interested, let me know and I can get the phone number or
other info for you.
Mike Anderson
15562 From: Mike Anderson <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 2:02pm
Subject: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Count me in. I did Raw Deal a few weeks ago with 4", 33's and open
front and rear, and it wasn't too bad. The last 1/4 mile is the bad
part and anyone can walk it if you don't want to drive it. Also, let
me know if anyone has an empty seat... Thanks.
Mike Anderson
15563 From: Jewkes, Kris <kjewkes@f...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 2:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Count me in too! Sorry I won't have an empty seat, wife and kids go there.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Anderson [mailto:msa12171@a...]
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:03 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Count me in. I did Raw Deal a few weeks ago with 4", 33's and open
front and rear, and it wasn't too bad. The last 1/4 mile is the bad
part and anyone can walk it if you don't want to drive it. Also, let
me know if anyone has an empty seat... Thanks.
Mike Anderson
15564 From: William Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:27pm
Subject: Re: Phoenix area recking yards
Right Awn!!
That's what I like about them!
Bill Mish
Yldkat
1955 Willys CJ3B
http://drive.to/yldkat55
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>; "Leonard K. Pennock"
<leonardpennock@h...>
Cc: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Phoenix area recking yards
> Just Everyone Else's Parts
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leonard K. Pennock" <leonardpennock@h...>
> To: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Phoenix area recking yards
>
>
> > Jay was eluding too the fact that AMC for the most part built very
> > little of the components that were put into the jeep. They bought most
> > of them from the other manufactures. You just need to figure out who
> > made the component you want and get it from there which is usually
> > cheaper than getting a jeep part.
> >
> > Jay Eller wrote:
> > >
> > > I hate to say it, but your gonna find ALL of the junk yards that cater
> > > to Jeeps only are going to be outrageous! Not sure what your looking
> > > for, but perhaps there are other alternatives. For example, I went
> > > looking for a set of seat belts for my CJ7. They wanted between
> > > $120-$150 for a set!!!!! I then proceeded over to a wrecking yard
next
> > > door, picked up a set of Chevy truck ones for $30 and bolted them
> > > directly into the stock locations with all of the same stock hardware.
> > > So.......alternatives exist. What are you looking for and maybe
someone
> > > on the list has it already that they would part with REALLY cheap.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ----------------------------
> > > Jay Eller
> > > http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
> >
> > --
> > Leonard K. Pennock
> >
> > Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> > find that they very rarely lose or fail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
15565 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Fri Dec 8, 2000 4:31pm
Subject: Re: Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
Count me in for Raw Deal also I will have an empty seat also but it will
piss off the dog. He likes the passenger seat
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jewkes, Kris" <kjewkes@f...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:54 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
> Count me in too! Sorry I won't have an empty seat, wife and kids go
there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Anderson [mailto:msa12171@a...]
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 3:03 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal this Sat. at noon
>
>
> Count me in. I did Raw Deal a few weeks ago with 4", 33's and open
> front and rear, and it wasn't too bad. The last 1/4 mile is the bad
> part and anyone can walk it if you don't want to drive it. Also, let
> me know if anyone has an empty seat... Thanks.
>
> Mike Anderson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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