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9361 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 6:47am
Subject: Re: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
San Tans, south of Queen Creek.
> > Larry wrote:
> >
> > I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
off-hwy
> > vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> >
> > Regards,
> > LarryM
>
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9362 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 8:09am
Subject: Re: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
Here's a few....
Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
hopes that they could use the land for a community college extension.
They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly Mtn as
part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior to
closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on the
mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to 4x4s
and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been closed or
will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors in
order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is being
used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon. Environmentalists
argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from the
solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't do
that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning at
dawn by the small tour planes.
Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under consideration
to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people who
don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash. Red
Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this. There
was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain the
riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was to
hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and also
to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the land.
Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to the
public also.
How far back do you want to go?
Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails on
the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair game.
You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series of
trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
Linda
> Larry wrote:
>
> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
>
> Regards,
> LarryM
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>
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9363 From: fernando arredondo <farrendo@a...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 8:33am
Subject: YJ HARD TOP WITH DOORS????
MEMBERS,
DOES ANYONE HAVE A HARD TOP WITH DOORS THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO
SELL FOR A 87 -95 YJ WRANGLER.. A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE IS IN
DESPERATE NEED. HE HAS A NEW BABY AND NEEDS A HARD TOP WITH DOORS TO
PROTECT HIS NEW JEEPER FROM THE HEAT.. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR
INPUT!!!!!
NANDO
89YJ
9364 From: Nosmo King <ICE626@h...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 8:45am
Subject: Metal
Hi group....would anyone out there happen to know where I could pick
up some 3"x2" steel stock (about 2 feet long)?
9365 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 8:59am
Subject: Re: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
Forgot to mention a series of trails in the Las Cruces, NM area. These
are hard rock trails. The SW4WDC says that these trails were old mining
roads that fall under RS2477, but I guess the BLM felt that that was not
the case. They have been closed for 2-3 years.
Linda
> Larry wrote:
>
> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
>
> Regards,
> LarryM
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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9366 From: Chris R. <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 11:18am
Subject: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
Time is very short and we need to know now, if you are in or out?
The drive on the capitol is scheduled for June 10th, a Saturday.
We need about 1000 plus vehicles if we are going make a statement that
everyone is going to listen to. Currently we only have a handful
participating.
What we need to know?
Do you want to keep lands open?
Will you be at this drive?
If you are attending how many others will you be bringing?
If this falls apart and only 10 are going to show, our opposition has
already won in the eyes of Joe Public.
Please respond to me ASAP so we know if we should continue to make this
happen.
Chris
My1stJeep@e...
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9367 From: Mike & Anita Chatfield <mchat@h...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 11:27am
Subject: Re: Metal
On the South side Washington Street, across the street and West of 4
Wheelers Supply there is a Scrap Metal dealer, I can't remember the
name though. They sell mostly to businesses, but they often have
scraps of steel & aluminum. I know the steel they sell by the pound.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Nosmo King" <ICE626@h...> wrote:
> Hi group....would anyone out there happen to know where I could
pick
> up some 3"x2" steel stock (about 2 feet long)?
9368 From: Darren Richards (r50880) <r50880@e...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 11:29am
Subject: Re: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
Sorry, I must have missed previous posts regarding the drive on the
capitol. What are the details? Who is organizing this event? Exactly
when and where would we meet?
Thanks,
darren
'83 CJ7
Chris R. wrote:
>
> Time is very short and we need to know now, if you are in or out?
>
> The drive on the capitol is scheduled for June 10th, a Saturday.
>
> We need about 1000 plus vehicles if we are going make a statement that
> everyone is going to listen to. Currently we only have a handful
> participating.
>
> What we need to know?
> Do you want to keep lands open?
> Will you be at this drive?
> If you are attending how many others will you be bringing?
>
> If this falls apart and only 10 are going to show, our opposition has
> already won in the eyes of Joe Public.
>
> Please respond to me ASAP so we know if we should continue to make this
> happen.
>
> Chris
> My1stJeep@e...
> '97 TJ
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9369 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 11:36am
Subject: Re: Re: Metal
Davis Salvage
Mike & Anita Chatfield wrote:
>
> On the South side Washington Street, across the street and West of 4
> Wheelers Supply there is a Scrap Metal dealer, I can't remember the
> name though. They sell mostly to businesses, but they often have
> scraps of steel & aluminum. I know the steel they sell by the pound.
>
> - Mike
>
> --- In az_vjc@egroups.com, "Nosmo King" <ICE626@h...> wrote:
> > Hi group....would anyone out there happen to know where I could
> pick
> > up some 3"x2" steel stock (about 2 feet long)?
>
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9370 From: Herring, Eric <herring@u...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 11:26am
Subject: RE: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog Canyon.
Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day on the
trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up for it,
I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
Eric Herring 92XJ
> ----------
> From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
> To: Larry
> Cc: AzVJC
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
>
> <<File: p14175.vcf>>
> Here's a few....
>
> Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
> hopes that they could use the land for a community college extension.
> They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly Mtn as
> part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior to
> closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on the
> mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to 4x4s
> and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
> homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
> concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
>
> Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been closed or
> will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
> files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
> Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
> arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors in
> order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is being
> used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
>
> Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
> trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon. Environmentalists
> argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from the
> solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
> hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't do
> that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
> Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning at
> dawn by the small tour planes.
>
> Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under consideration
> to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people who
> don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash. Red
> Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
>
> Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this. There
> was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain the
> riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
>
> A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
> closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was to
> hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and also
> to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the land.
> Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to the
> public also.
>
> How far back do you want to go?
>
> Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails on
> the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair game.
> You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series of
> trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
> area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
>
> Linda
>
>
> > Larry wrote:
> >
> > I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> > off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> >
> > Regards,
> > LarryM
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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9371 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
A boy scout troop recently cleaned up the target shooting area. I'll bet
that, by now, you probably can't even tell that they did any cleaning.
My biggest disappointment was going out there last year and noting that
the crested saquaro on the west leg of the trail had been poached.
When do you want to go out there? The extreme south and west entrances
are the worst.
Linda
"Herring, Eric" wrote:
>
> That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog Canyon.
> Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day on the
> trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up for it,
> I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> > ----------
> > From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@motorola.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
> > To: Larry
> > Cc: AzVJC
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> >
> > <<File: p14175.vcf>>
> > Here's a few....
> >
> > Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
> > hopes that they could use the land for a community college extension.
> > They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly Mtn as
> > part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior to
> > closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on the
> > mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to 4x4s
> > and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
> > homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
> > concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
> >
> > Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been closed or
> > will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
> > files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
> > Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
> > arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors in
> > order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is being
> > used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
> >
> > Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
> > trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon. Environmentalists
> > argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from the
> > solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
> > hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't do
> > that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
> > Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning at
> > dawn by the small tour planes.
> >
> > Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under consideration
> > to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people who
> > don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash. Red
> > Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
> >
> > Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this. There
> > was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain the
> > riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
> >
> > A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
> > closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was to
> > hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and also
> > to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the land.
> > Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to the
> > public also.
> >
> > How far back do you want to go?
> >
> > Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails on
> > the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair game.
> > You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series of
> > trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
> > area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > > Larry wrote:
> > >
> > > I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> > > off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> > >
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > LarryM
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9372 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 0:18pm
Subject: Re: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
Where is this canyon located and what is it rated?
ChrisK
> From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@m...>
> Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:03 -0700
> To: "Herring, Eric" <herring@u...>
> Cc: "'AZ virtual Jeep Club'" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
>
> A boy scout troop recently cleaned up the target shooting area. I'll bet
> that, by now, you probably can't even tell that they did any cleaning.
> My biggest disappointment was going out there last year and noting that
> the crested saquaro on the west leg of the trail had been poached.
>
> When do you want to go out there? The extreme south and west entrances
> are the worst.
>
> Linda
>
> "Herring, Eric" wrote:
>>
>> That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog Canyon.
>> Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day on the
>> trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up for it,
>> I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
>>
>> Eric Herring 92XJ
>>
>>> ----------
>>> From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@m...]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
>>> To: Larry
>>> Cc: AzVJC
>>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
>>>
>>> <<File: p14175.vcf>>
>>> Here's a few....
>>>
>>> Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
>>> hopes that they could use the land for a community college extension.
>>> They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly Mtn as
>>> part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior to
>>> closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on the
>>> mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to 4x4s
>>> and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
>>> homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
>>> concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
>>>
>>> Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been closed or
>>> will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
>>> files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
>>> Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
>>> arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors in
>>> order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is being
>>> used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
>>>
>>> Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
>>> trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon. Environmentalists
>>> argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from the
>>> solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
>>> hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't do
>>> that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
>>> Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning at
>>> dawn by the small tour planes.
>>>
>>> Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under consideration
>>> to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people who
>>> don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash. Red
>>> Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
>>>
>>> Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this. There
>>> was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain the
>>> riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
>>>
>>> A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
>>> closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was to
>>> hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and also
>>> to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the land.
>>> Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to the
>>> public also.
>>>
>>> How far back do you want to go?
>>>
>>> Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails on
>>> the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair game.
>>> You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series of
>>> trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
>>> area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>>
>>>> Larry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
>>>> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> LarryM
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> eGroups
>>> free, easy email groups
>>> Start a new email group today at
>>> http://click.egroups.com/1/3949/9/_/1966/_/959094363/
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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9373 From: Jon Loveless <jal@c...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 0:39pm
Subject: Fwd: "ROADLESS" Meeting Reminder
I am out of town for both of the Tonto NF meetings. I hope someone (or
many) from AZVJC can go...May 23 and June 21. Please help. Many of these
areas are all close to home for a lot of us.
Jon
>Date: 23 May 00 12:12:20 -0700
>From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
>Subject: "ROADLESS" Meeting Reminder
>To: Blind *Copy <theslin@p...>
>X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.4 (Mac)
>Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by
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>
>
>Outdoor Enthusiasts:
>
>This note is a reminder about the next phase of Forest Service "roadless"
>meetings. The information meetings started happening around the nation
>last week, with subsequent comment meetings to be held in June. The Tonto
>National Forest Information meeting is to be held today, (5/23) from 1 p.m
>to 8 p.m. at the Tonto Supervisor's Office on 2324 E. McDowell Road in
>Phoenix. The remaining schedule for all Arizona and New Mexico National
>Forest Roadless Information and Comment meetings (May/June) is pasted
>below. It is very important that people attend these meetings to learn
>more about the proposals and preferred alternatives, and even more
>important to offer formal comments at the meetings in June. Here is the
>schedule:
>
>Southwestern Region Roadless Initiative Public Meeting Schedule
>
>State Administrative Unit Address (Street, City) Meeting Purpose
>(Information or comment Meeting Date (2000) Meeting Location (Street,
>City) Meeting Time Contact Person (name, phone number and electronic mail
>address)
>
>AZ Apache-Sitgreaves NF's 309 S. Mountain Ave.; Springerville, AZ.
>Information 5/26/00 309 S. Mountain Ave.; Springerville, AZ. 7:00 p.m. Jim
>Anderson (520) 333-4301
>janderson08@f...
>
>AZ Apache-Sitgreaves NF's 309 S. Mountain Ave.; Springerville, AZ. Comment
>6/22/00 309 S. Mountain Ave.; Springerville, AZ. 7:00 p.m. Jim Anderson
>(520) 333-4301 janderson08@f...
>
>
>AZ Coconino/Kaibab NF’s 2323 E. Greenlaw Lane; Flagstaff, AZ Comment
>6/14/00 Flagstaff High School; 400 W. Elm St.; Flagstaff, AZ. 4:00 _ 7:00
>p.m. Katherine Farr (520) 527-3411, kfarr@f... or Karen Malis-Clark,
>(520) 527-3492, keclark@f...
>
>
>AZ Coronado NF Federal Building; 300 West Congress; Tuscon, AZ Comment
>6/26/00 Doubletree Hotel; 445 South Alvernon Way; Tucson, AZ 6:00 _ 8:00
>p.m. Gail Aschenbrenner, (520) 670-4552, gaschenbrenner@f...
>
>AZ Prescott NF 344 South Cortez St.; Prescott, AZ Information 5/24/00
>Prescott Fire Center;
> 2400 Melville Dr.; Prescott, AZ 7:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Cynthia Moody, (520)
> 771- 4874, cmoody@f...
>
>AZ Prescott NF 344 South Cortez St.; Prescott AZ Comment 6/21/00 Prescott
>Fire Center; 2400 Melville Dr.; Prescott, AZ 7:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Cynthia
>Moody, (520) 771 _ 4874, cmoody@f...
>
>AZ Tonto NF 2324 E. McDowell Road; Phoenix, AZ Information 5/23/00 Tonto
>Supervisor’s Office Conference Room; 2324 E. McDowell Rd.; Phoenix, AZ
>1:00 _ 8:00 p.m. Jim Payne or Paul Stewart (602) 225-5200, jwpayne@f...
>
>AZ Tonto NF 2324 E. McDowell Road; Phoenix, AZ Comment 6/21/00 Embassy
>Suites; 44th St. & McDowell; Phoenix, AZ 6:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Jim Payne or
>Paul Stewart, (602) 225-5200, jwpayne@f...
>
>NM Carson NF 208 Cruz Alta Rd.; Taos, NM 87571 Information 5/23/00 El
>Taoseno Room, Coronado Hall, Civic Center Plaza Dr., Taos, NM 87571
>7:00-9:00 p.m. Audrey Kuykendall,(505) 758-6212, akuykendall@f...
>
>NM Carson NF 208 Cruz Alta Rd.; Taos, NM 87571 Comment 6/26/00 Council
>Chambers, Coronado Hall, Civic Center Plaza Dr., Taos, NM 87571 7:00-9:00
>p.m. Audrey Kuykendall, (505) 758-6212, akuykendall@f...
>
>
>NM Cibola NF 2113 Osuna Rd., NE, Suite A; Albuquerque, NM Comment 6/20/00
>Albuquerque Convention Center, La Cienega Rm; Albuquerque, NM 6:30 _ 9:30
>p.m. Vicky Estrada, (505) 346-2650, vestrada@f...
>
>NM Gila NF 3005 E. Camino del Bosque; Silver City, NM Comment 6/26/00
>Bayard Community Center 6:00 _ 8:00 p.m. Laura Browning, (505) 388-8201,
>lbrowning@f...
>
>NM Lincoln NF 1101 New York Avenue; Alamogordo, NM Information 5/23/00
>Cloudcroft Middle School; Cloudcroft, NM 6:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Johnny Wilson,
>(505) 434-7230, jrwilson@f...
>
>NM Lincoln NF 1101 New York Avenue; Alamogordo, NM Information 5/25/00
>Ruidoso District Civic Center; Ruidoso, NM 6:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Johnny Wilson,
>(505) 434-7230, jrwilson@f...
>
>NM Lincoln NF 1101 New York Ave.; Alamogordo, NM Information 5/31/00 Pecos
>River Center; Carlsbad, NM 6:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Johnny Wilson, (505) 434-7230,
>jrwilson@f...
>
>NM Lincoln NF 1101 New York Ave.; Alamogordo, NM Comment 6/22/00
>Cloudcroft Middle School; Cloudcroft, NM 6:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Johnny Wilson,
>(505) 434-7230, jrwilson@f...
>
>
>NM Santa Fe NF 1474 Rodeo Road; P.O. Box 1689; Santa Fe, NM Information
>5/23/00 El Taoseno Rm, Coronado Hall, Civic Center Plaza Dr.;Taos, NM 7:00
>_ 9:00 p.m. Susan Bruin, (505) 438-7829, sbruin@f...
>
>NM Santa Fe NF 1474 Rodeo Road; P.O. Box 1689; Santa Fe, NM Comment
>6/26/00 Council Chambers, Coronado Hall, Civic Center Plaza Dr.;Taos, NM
>7:00 _ 9:00 p.m. Susan Bruin, (505) 438-7829, sbruin@f...
>
>NM Santa Fe NF 1474 Rodeo Road; P.O. Box 1689; Santa Fe, NM Comment
>6/20/00 Albuquerque Convention Center, La Cienega Room; Albuquerque, NM
>6:30 _ 9:30 p.m. Susan Bruin, (505) 438-7829, sbruin@f...
>
>
>--MORE--
>
>---------- Forwarded Message ----------
>
>From: Donald C. Amador, 112531,1311
>TO: "Amador", INTERNET:brdon_a@s...
>DATE: 5/23/00 8:09 AM
>
>RE: Copy of: Update on Roadless - Read the Planning Rule!
>
>Dear M/U Recreation and Resource Interests,
>
>As many of you work through the roadless DEIS, I hope that none of you get
>too comfortable... as you know, the
>three Rules relate to each other and I believe the rule that will impact
>motorized access the most is the planning
>rule.
>
>As the roadless issue continues to heat up, I wanted to offer those of you
>interested in this issue a chance to review
>my comments and concerns about how, I believe, Clinton's forest legacy (the
>Roadless Init., the Planning Rule, and Road Rule)
>will impact motorized access to forest lands.
>
>While the DEIS for the Roadless Init. does not look too bad for OHV use of
>the forest, the devil is in the details
>and in the proposed planning regulations. Even the new roadless DEIS says
>that all three of the forest legacy efforts are interconnected.
>I have enclosed the html for where my planning reg. comments are archived.
>
>http://www.wi4wda.org/blueribbon/roadless/amador7.html
>
>Please feel free to contact me should you have any questions and thanks for
>your interest in this topic..
>
>Don Amador
>Blue Ribbon Coalition, Inc.
>555 Honey Lane
>Oakley, CA 94561
>(925) 625-6287 Office
>
>--more--
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:22:09 PDT
>From: "Brad Ullrich" <cjjeepercreeper@h...>
>Subject: Region III Roadless Meeting
>
>I had the opportunity last nite to manage to be in Albuquerque for the
>Region III Roadless meeting. It was nice to finally put faces with names,
>got a chance to meet people like Bob Norton and Terry Rust from the NM 4
>Wheelers and this forum. One of the local GAG groups, Forest Guardians or
>something like that, had a giant, about 12 feet tall, blow up Smokey the
>Bear holding one of their signs right outside the door to the
>meeting. There were several mildly annoying young men tending Smokey and
>asking people to sign their petition fully supporting Klinton's Roadless
>Intitiative. While they were busy doing their thing I had the opportunity
>to put an "Access for All" sticker and a Jarbidge bumper sticker right on
>Smokey's *** under their noses. I wish I could have seen their faces.
>
>Everyone needs to go to these meetings. There were plenty of GAGs there,
>we need to be sure we are seen!
>
>Lastly, but VERY IMPORTANT. We were informed that all comments MUST be
>received by the USFS by 7/17, just not in the mail.
>
>Later...
>
>Brad
>
>
=================
Jon Loveless
Convenient P&C Group
(610) 521-6066
=================
9374 From: Mike Anderson <msa12171@a...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 1:10pm
Subject: Re: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
I AM GOING! LET ME KNOW WHERE AND WHAT TIME TO MEET. DEFINATELY
COUNT ME IN! I WILL ALSO PASS THE WORD ON TO SOME FRIENDS (NON JEEP
4 WHEELERS ALSO?) LET ME KNOW IF THEY ARE INCLUDED.
MIKE
97 TJ
9375 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 1:30pm
Subject: Re: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
Count me IN.
Bob
Chris R. wrote:
>
> Time is very short and we need to know now, if you are in or out?
>
> The drive on the capitol is scheduled for June 10th, a Saturday.
>
> We need about 1000 plus vehicles if we are going make a statement that
> everyone is going to listen to. Currently we only have a handful
> participating.
>
> What we need to know?
> Do you want to keep lands open?
> Will you be at this drive?
> If you are attending how many others will you be bringing?
>
> If this falls apart and only 10 are going to show, our opposition has
> already won in the eyes of Joe Public.
>
> Please respond to me ASAP so we know if we should continue to make this
> happen.
>
> Chris
> My1stJeep@excite.com
> '97 TJ
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9376 From: Herring, Eric <herring@u...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 1:28pm
Subject: RE: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
Being on a Saturday I think I can make it. I'll try to round up some friends
of mine. Send details as they are available.
Eric Herring 92XJ
> ----------
> From: Chris R.[SMTP:my1stjeep@e...]
> Reply To: My1stJeep@e...
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:18 AM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
>
> Time is very short and we need to know now, if you are in or out?
>
> The drive on the capitol is scheduled for June 10th, a Saturday.
>
> We need about 1000 plus vehicles if we are going make a statement that
> everyone is going to listen to. Currently we only have a handful
> participating.
>
> What we need to know?
> Do you want to keep lands open?
> Will you be at this drive?
> If you are attending how many others will you be bringing?
>
> If this falls apart and only 10 are going to show, our opposition has
> already won in the eyes of Joe Public.
>
> Please respond to me ASAP so we know if we should continue to make this
> happen.
>
> Chris
> My1stJeep@e...
> '97 TJ
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
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9377 From: Herring, Eric <herring@u...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 1:23pm
Subject: RE: Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
It has 3 entrances, one is next to the Blue Point Bridge another is on Usery
Road and the other is on a back road in Apache Junction. The entrance has a
lock on it but the combination can be obtained by going to the Mesa ranger
station and getting a pass(it's free). I have seen the trail rated a 2.5 and
3, most of it is quite easy with a couple of rocks by the south end & a hill
near the north. I would think a stock vehicle wouldn't have much trouble
with it.
I'm open most weekends so let me know.
Eric Herring 92XJ
> ----------
> From: Chris Krieg[SMTP:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:18 PM
> To: Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
>
> Where is this canyon located and what is it rated?
>
> ChrisK
>
> > From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@m...>
> > Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
> > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:03 -0700
> > To: "Herring, Eric" <herring@u...>
> > Cc: "'AZ virtual Jeep Club'" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> >
> > A boy scout troop recently cleaned up the target shooting area. I'll bet
> > that, by now, you probably can't even tell that they did any cleaning.
> > My biggest disappointment was going out there last year and noting that
> > the crested saquaro on the west leg of the trail had been poached.
> >
> > When do you want to go out there? The extreme south and west entrances
> > are the worst.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > "Herring, Eric" wrote:
> >>
> >> That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog
> Canyon.
> >> Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day on
> the
> >> trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up for
> it,
> >> I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
> >>
> >> Eric Herring 92XJ
> >>
> >>> ----------
> >>> From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@m...]
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
> >>> To: Larry
> >>> Cc: AzVJC
> >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been
> closed?
> >>>
> >>> <<File: p14175.vcf>>
> >>> Here's a few....
> >>>
> >>> Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
> >>> hopes that they could use the land for a community college extension.
> >>> They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly Mtn
> as
> >>> part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior
> to
> >>> closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on
> the
> >>> mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to
> 4x4s
> >>> and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
> >>> homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
> >>> concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
> >>>
> >>> Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been closed
> or
> >>> will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
> >>> files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
> >>> Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
> >>> arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors in
> >>> order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is being
> >>> used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
> >>>
> >>> Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
> >>> trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon.
> Environmentalists
> >>> argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from
> the
> >>> solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
> >>> hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't
> do
> >>> that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
> >>> Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning at
> >>> dawn by the small tour planes.
> >>>
> >>> Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under consideration
> >>> to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people
> who
> >>> don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash. Red
> >>> Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
> >>>
> >>> Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this. There
> >>> was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain
> the
> >>> riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
> >>>
> >>> A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
> >>> closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was to
> >>> hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and
> also
> >>> to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the
> land.
> >>> Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to
> the
> >>> public also.
> >>>
> >>> How far back do you want to go?
> >>>
> >>> Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails on
> >>> the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair game.
> >>> You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series of
> >>> trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
> >>> area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
> >>>
> >>> Linda
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Larry wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> >>>> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> LarryM
> >>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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9378 From: Jeep driven <cmandrick@e...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 2:08pm
Subject: Usery Pass area
The Usery Pass area is pretty cool, but the shooting range is already filthy
again. I was there the day that it was cleaned up, and in two weeks time it
looked like a landfill again. I have tried to find the trailheads out
there, but have had no luck. What is the location of the Mesa ranger
station?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herring, Eric" <herring@u...>
To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> It has 3 entrances, one is next to the Blue Point Bridge another is on
Usery
> Road and the other is on a back road in Apache Junction. The entrance has
a
> lock on it but the combination can be obtained by going to the Mesa ranger
> station and getting a pass(it's free). I have seen the trail rated a 2.5
and
> 3, most of it is quite easy with a couple of rocks by the south end & a
hill
> near the north. I would think a stock vehicle wouldn't have much trouble
> with it.
>
> I'm open most weekends so let me know.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
> > ----------
> > From: Chris Krieg[SMTP:rv6a@m...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:18 PM
> > To: Virtual Jeep Club
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> >
> > Where is this canyon located and what is it rated?
> >
> > ChrisK
> >
> > > From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@m...>
> > > Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
> > > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:03 -0700
> > > To: "Herring, Eric" <herring@u...>
> > > Cc: "'AZ virtual Jeep Club'" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> > >
> > > A boy scout troop recently cleaned up the target shooting area. I'll
bet
> > > that, by now, you probably can't even tell that they did any cleaning.
> > > My biggest disappointment was going out there last year and noting
that
> > > the crested saquaro on the west leg of the trail had been poached.
> > >
> > > When do you want to go out there? The extreme south and west entrances
> > > are the worst.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > "Herring, Eric" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog
> > Canyon.
> > >> Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day on
> > the
> > >> trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up
for
> > it,
> > >> I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
> > >>
> > >> Eric Herring 92XJ
> > >>
> > >>> ----------
> > >>> From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@m...]
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
> > >>> To: Larry
> > >>> Cc: AzVJC
> > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been
> > closed?
> > >>>
> > >>> <<File: p14175.vcf>>
> > >>> Here's a few....
> > >>>
> > >>> Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
> > >>> hopes that they could use the land for a community college
extension.
> > >>> They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly
Mtn
> > as
> > >>> part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior
> > to
> > >>> closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on
> > the
> > >>> mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to
> > 4x4s
> > >>> and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
> > >>> homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
> > >>> concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
> > >>>
> > >>> Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been
closed
> > or
> > >>> will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
> > >>> files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
> > >>> Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
> > >>> arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors
in
> > >>> order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is
being
> > >>> used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
> > >>>
> > >>> Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
> > >>> trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon.
> > Environmentalists
> > >>> argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from
> > the
> > >>> solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
> > >>> hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't
> > do
> > >>> that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
> > >>> Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning
at
> > >>> dawn by the small tour planes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under
consideration
> > >>> to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people
> > who
> > >>> don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash.
Red
> > >>> Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
> > >>>
> > >>> Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this.
There
> > >>> was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain
> > the
> > >>> riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
> > >>>
> > >>> A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
> > >>> closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was
to
> > >>> hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and
> > also
> > >>> to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the
> > land.
> > >>> Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to
> > the
> > >>> public also.
> > >>>
> > >>> How far back do you want to go?
> > >>>
> > >>> Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails
on
> > >>> the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair
game.
> > >>> You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series
of
> > >>> trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
> > >>> area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
> > >>>
> > >>> Linda
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Larry wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> > >>>> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> LarryM
> > >>>>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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9379 From: Linda Luik <linda.luik@m...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 2:21pm
Subject: Re: Usery Pass area
The Tonto NF Mesa Ranger District Office is on MacDonald just north of
Main St. in Mesa. It's the USDA building on the west side of the street.
Warning! They keep banker's hours so you might want to call first.
Linda
Jeep driven wrote:
>
> The Usery Pass area is pretty cool, but the shooting range is already filthy
> again. I was there the day that it was cleaned up, and in two weeks time it
> looked like a landfill again. I have tried to find the trailheads out
> there, but have had no luck. What is the location of the Mesa ranger
> station?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herring, Eric" <herring@uswest.net>
> To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
>
> > It has 3 entrances, one is next to the Blue Point Bridge another is on
> Usery
> > Road and the other is on a back road in Apache Junction. The entrance has
> a
> > lock on it but the combination can be obtained by going to the Mesa ranger
> > station and getting a pass(it's free). I have seen the trail rated a 2.5
> and
> > 3, most of it is quite easy with a couple of rocks by the south end & a
> hill
> > near the north. I would think a stock vehicle wouldn't have much trouble
> > with it.
> >
> > I'm open most weekends so let me know.
> >
> > Eric Herring 92XJ
> > > ----------
> > > From: Chris Krieg[SMTP:rv6a@mac.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:18 PM
> > > To: Virtual Jeep Club
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> > >
> > > Where is this canyon located and what is it rated?
> > >
> > > ChrisK
> > >
> > > > From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@motorola.com>
> > > > Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
> > > > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:03 -0700
> > > > To: "Herring, Eric" <herring@uswest.net>
> > > > Cc: "'AZ virtual Jeep Club'" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> > > >
> > > > A boy scout troop recently cleaned up the target shooting area. I'll
> bet
> > > > that, by now, you probably can't even tell that they did any cleaning.
> > > > My biggest disappointment was going out there last year and noting
> that
> > > > the crested saquaro on the west leg of the trail had been poached.
> > > >
> > > > When do you want to go out there? The extreme south and west entrances
> > > > are the worst.
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > "Herring, Eric" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog
> > > Canyon.
> > > >> Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day on
> > > the
> > > >> trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up
> for
> > > it,
> > > >> I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
> > > >>
> > > >> Eric Herring 92XJ
> > > >>
> > > >>> ----------
> > > >>> From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@motorola.com]
> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
> > > >>> To: Larry
> > > >>> Cc: AzVJC
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been
> > > closed?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> <<File: p14175.vcf>>
> > > >>> Here's a few....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction with
> > > >>> hopes that they could use the land for a community college
> extension.
> > > >>> They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly
> Mtn
> > > as
> > > >>> part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM prior
> > > to
> > > >>> closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation on
> > > the
> > > >>> mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation to
> > > 4x4s
> > > >>> and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There are
> > > >>> homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
> > > >>> concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been
> closed
> > > or
> > > >>> will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to lawsuits
> > > >>> files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
> > > >>> Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
> > > >>> arguments are that animal species in the area need travel corridors
> in
> > > >>> order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is
> being
> > > >>> used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only 4x4
> > > >>> trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon.
> > > Environmentalists
> > > >>> argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away from
> > > the
> > > >>> solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
> > > >>> hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you can't
> > > do
> > > >>> that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
> > > >>> Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning
> at
> > > >>> dawn by the small tour planes.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under
> consideration
> > > >>> to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and people
> > > who
> > > >>> don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash.
> Red
> > > >>> Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this.
> There
> > > >>> was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to maintain
> > > the
> > > >>> riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
> > > >>> closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was
> to
> > > >>> hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area and
> > > also
> > > >>> to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the
> > > land.
> > > >>> Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed to
> > > the
> > > >>> public also.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> How far back do you want to go?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails
> on
> > > >>> the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair
> game.
> > > >>> You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series
> of
> > > >>> trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in the
> > > >>> area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Linda
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Larry wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed to
> > > >>>> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> LarryM
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9380 From: Jewkes, Kris <kjewkes@f...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 2:42pm
Subject: Help!!! need to locate Bushings.
I am looking for a 4x4 Part Store on the north west side of phoenix (By Sun
City). I need to replace some bushing on the LCA's on my 88 XJ. The LCA's
are from rusty's off-road and have been on since May 6, 2000. Yes two and a
half weeks. I noticed them coming apart on the Turkey Creek run Saturday.
By the time I got home one of them had completely come apart. I'm going to
Moab this week end and sure would like to have a jeep to go in!!!!!
I don't think the bushings rusty promised to overnight me will get here.
I'm Still waiting for the disconnects I ordered 9 week's ago.
Thanks in advance!!!!!!
9381 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ICE626@h...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 7:57am
Subject: Re: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
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9382 From: Herring, Eric <herring@u...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 2:42pm
Subject: FW: Usery Pass area
It's north of Main street on Center (I think). You may want to look in the
phone book to be sure. They will give you a map with the permit.
Eric Herring 92XJ
> ----------
> From: Jeep driven[SMTP:cmandrick@e...]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:08 PM
> To: Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: [az_vjc] Usery Pass area
>
> The Usery Pass area is pretty cool, but the shooting range is already
> filthy
> again. I was there the day that it was cleaned up, and in two weeks time
> it
> looked like a landfill again. I have tried to find the trailheads out
> there, but have had no luck. What is the location of the Mesa ranger
> station?
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Herring, Eric" <herring@u...>
> To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 1:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
>
>
> > It has 3 entrances, one is next to the Blue Point Bridge another is on
> Usery
> > Road and the other is on a back road in Apache Junction. The entrance
> has
> a
> > lock on it but the combination can be obtained by going to the Mesa
> ranger
> > station and getting a pass(it's free). I have seen the trail rated a 2.5
> and
> > 3, most of it is quite easy with a couple of rocks by the south end & a
> hill
> > near the north. I would think a stock vehicle wouldn't have much trouble
> > with it.
> >
> > I'm open most weekends so let me know.
> >
> > Eric Herring 92XJ
> > > ----------
> > > From: Chris Krieg[SMTP:rv6a@m...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 12:18 PM
> > > To: Virtual Jeep Club
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been closed?
> > >
> > > Where is this canyon located and what is it rated?
> > >
> > > ChrisK
> > >
> > > > From: "Linda Luik" <linda.luik@m...>
> > > > Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
> > > > Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:14:03 -0700
> > > > To: "Herring, Eric" <herring@u...>
> > > > Cc: "'AZ virtual Jeep Club'" <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been
> closed?
> > > >
> > > > A boy scout troop recently cleaned up the target shooting area. I'll
> bet
> > > > that, by now, you probably can't even tell that they did any
> cleaning.
> > > > My biggest disappointment was going out there last year and noting
> that
> > > > the crested saquaro on the west leg of the trail had been poached.
> > > >
> > > > When do you want to go out there? The extreme south and west
> entrances
> > > > are the worst.
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > "Herring, Eric" wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> That reminds me, we really need to organize a clean up for Bulldog
> > > Canyon.
> > > >> Unfortunately it's getting hot but I figure we could do a half day
> on
> > > the
> > > >> trail & then jump in the river or lake. Let me know if anyone is up
> for
> > > it,
> > > >> I'm open any weekend after June 3-4.
> > > >>
> > > >> Eric Herring 92XJ
> > > >>
> > > >>> ----------
> > > >>> From: Linda Luik[SMTP:linda.luik@m...]
> > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:09 AM
> > > >>> To: Larry
> > > >>> Cc: AzVJC
> > > >>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Names of trails or areas that have been
> > > closed?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> <<File: p14175.vcf>>
> > > >>> Here's a few....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Silly Mountain Rd. This was BLM land leased by Apache Junction
> with
> > > >>> hopes that they could use the land for a community college
> extension.
> > > >>> They found a better spot for the college and decided to use Silly
> Mtn
> > > as
> > > >>> part of the AJ park system. AJ purchased the land from the BLM
> prior
> > > to
> > > >>> closing the trail. A recent fire destroyed much of the vegetation
> on
> > > the
> > > >>> mountain, but the city council attributed the loss of vegetation
> to
> > > 4x4s
> > > >>> and other off-highway vehicles instead of natural causes. There
> are
> > > >>> homes being built on the north side of the mountain. The ASA4WDC
> > > >>> concurred that this trail was not worth fighting to keep open.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Coronado National Forest sky islands. Numerous roads have been
> closed
> > > or
> > > >>> will be closed in the southern Arizona 'sky islands' due to
> lawsuits
> > > >>> files by environmental groups such as the Southwest Center for
> > > >>> Biodiversity, Sierra Club, and the Nature Conservancy. Their chief
> > > >>> arguments are that animal species in the area need travel
> corridors
> in
> > > >>> order to migrate and/or mate. This is the same argument that is
> being
> > > >>> used for the pygmy owl in Pima County.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Grand Canyon National Monument. Toroweap Trail. This is the only
> 4x4
> > > >>> trail that follows the north edge of the Grand Canyon.
> > > Environmentalists
> > > >>> argued that allowing motorized vehicles on this trail took away
> from
> > > the
> > > >>> solitude of the canyon. The trail is long enough that you can't
> > > >>> hike/bicycle without caching water and food in advance and you
> can't
> > > do
> > > >>> that unless you have an easy way of doing it -- motorized vehicle?
> > > >>> Anyway the solitude of the Grand Canyon is destroyed every morning
> at
> > > >>> dawn by the small tour planes.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Tonto National Forest. The Bulldog Canyon Trail is under
> consideration
> > > >>> to be closed to motorized vehicles due to target shooters and
> people
> > > who
> > > >>> don't want to pay at the landfill to dump their household trash.
> Red
> > > >>> Creek Trail (FR18) is still under consideration for closure.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gila Box Riparian Area. I think Keith Orr knows more about this.
> There
> > > >>> was a series of 4x4 trails in this area that were closed to
> maintain
> > > the
> > > >>> riparian habitat about 5-6 years ago.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> A series of trails on the west side of the Tijanas Altas Mtns were
> > > >>> closed by the Military and Border Patrol a few years ago. This was
> to
> > > >>> hinder illegals from crossing the Mexican-US border in the area
> and
> > > also
> > > >>> to prevent 4x4s and other off-highway vehicles from damaging the
> > > land.
> > > >>> Most of the spur trails on the Camino del Diablo have been closed
> to
> > > the
> > > >>> public also.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> How far back do you want to go?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Up until about 20 years ago or so there was a series of 4x4 trails
> on
> > > >>> the east side of South Mountain Park there were pretty much fair
> game.
> > > >>> You can still see remnants of the trails. There were also a series
> of
> > > >>> trails in the North Phoenix Mtns. Those linked mining claims in
> the
> > > >>> area. I remember going out on those when I was in high school.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Linda
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Larry wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I need a list(or names) of trails or areas that have been closed
> to
> > > >>>> off-hwy vehicle use wether it is in arizona or not.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Can anyone tell me a few off the top of their head?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> LarryM
> > > >>>>
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9383 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 4:05pm
Subject: Wanted...
I have a 93 YJ and need to replace the section of the exhaust pipe
that bolts between the header and the muffler. This is the section
that crosses under the transmission from the driver's side to the
passenger's side. If anybody has one of these laying around after
installing a custom exhaust and wants to get rid of it, send me an
email.
Thanks,
Roger
9384 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 4:50pm
Subject: Re: *URGENT ALL READ* LAND CLOSURE(Drive on Capitol)
Count me in on the 10th.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
9385 From: Thomas Jacobson <Tjacobs@I...>
Date: Tue May 23, 2000 4:54pm
Subject: RE: Help!!! need to locate Bushings.
Uh-oh, you're experiencing the exact same thing my friend just went thru
with his 4.5" Rusty XJ lift. His bushings lasted less than an hour off-road
the first time before disintegrating. He got replacements from
Rusty...which lasted all of 20 minutes before doing the same thing. Rusty
said it was a bad lot of bushings and sent a third set.
Last weekend, my friend had custom LCA's made that will use the stock rubber
bushings. He's returning the LCA's from his lift kit back to Rusty.
Unfortunately, it looks like there might something inherently wrong with the
Rusty set-up, although we couldn't tell what was causing the bushings to get
chewed up so fast. Must be a sharp edge that chops them up during flex.
Sorry I don't have a happy answer for you, but don't put too much faith in
the replacement bushings solving the problem. Anyone else have actual
experience with a Rusty's XJ lift where everything is working OK???
Kris, e-mail me if you want more info on the custom LCA's. I don't know
what this guy would want for another set, but they are very nice, well
designed and ride awesome with the rubber bushings. Or just return yours to
Rusty and buy Tomken's LCA's :^)
Tom J.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jewkes, Kris [mailto:kjewkes@f...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:42 PM
To: az_vjc@eGroups. com
Subject: [az_vjc] Help!!! need to locate Bushings.
I am looking for a 4x4 Part Store on the north west side of phoenix (By Sun
City). I need to replace some bushing on the LCA's on my 88 XJ. The LCA's
are from rusty's off-road and have been on since May 6, 2000. Yes two and a
half weeks. I noticed them coming apart on the Turkey Creek run Saturday.
By the time I got home one of them had completely come apart. I'm going to
Moab this week end and sure would like to have a jeep to go in!!!!!
I don't think the bushings rusty promised to overnight me will get here.
I'm Still waiting for the disconnects I ordered 9 week's ago.
Thanks in advance!!!!!!
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