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86321 From: Annie <shej33p@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 0:04pm
Subject: van for sale
I have a 1987 Dodge Grand Caravan for sale...950.00. It runs like a champ. The clear coating is chipping off in someplaces and the inside is clean. If interested plz email me privately. Sorry for the OT.
Annie
shej33p@c...
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86322 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 0:34pm
Subject: Re: Re: Good 4x4 shop and quick discos
Earlier XJs (like my '89) just use a bolt and nut - no tapered fitting.
I don't know when they changed those, probably with the 96-97 changes.
Mike
tomas2691 wrote:
> Yep, YJ's too. The tapered end and press fit make a puller or BFH
> necessary.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DougB" <azjeep@c...> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps the XJ's are different, but there are tapered ends at the
>
> sway bar
>
>>side on TJ's (and I think YJ's). Sometimes they'll come out with
>
> the hit of
>
>>a hammer, sometimes you need a puller.
>>
>>Doug
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "casper" <casper@c...>
>>>To: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:03 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Good 4x4 shop and quick discos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Doug,
>>>> I am not sure why you are recommending a puller for the
>>>
> sway bar
>
>>>links.
>>>
>>>>Are you possibly thinking of the track bar my friend. Maybe the
>>>
> 2000's
>
>>are
>>
>>>>different then the earlier year XJ's. I didn't need a puller of
>>>
> any kind
>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>do the disco mod. Only on the track bar.......................
>>>>
>>>>Casper
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
>>>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Ron Hill" <paparonbo@y...>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:14 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Good 4x4 shop and quick discos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Installation is an easy DIY job. Just need a picklefork, or a
>>>>
> pitman
>
>>>>puller
>>>>
>>>>>to get the tapered end out from the sway bar. A BFH will work
>>>>
> too,
>
>>with
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>castle nut moved up flush with the end.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've used Tera and the newer JKS. Of the two, I liked the
>>>>
> JKS, because
>
>>>>>they're adjustable. However, either brand is good.
>>>>>
>>>>>Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Ron Hill" <paparonbo@y...>
>>>>>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 10:26 AM
>>>>>Subject: [az_vjc] Good 4x4 shop and quick discos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>My wife has informed me that she doesn't feel safe driving
>>>>>
> my 2000
>
>>XJ
>>
>>>>>>with the sway-bars disconnected. So it looks like I am in
>>>>>
> the market
>
>>>>>>for a set of quick disconnects (I'm not really interested
>>>>>
> in making
>
>>my
>>
>>>>>>own). Does anyone have suggestions on the brand and a good
>>>>>
> place to
>
>>>>>>buy them in the town (preferably the east valley)? I have
>>>>>
> seen a
>
>>>>>>couple of negative posts about installation work done at
>>>>>
> shops but
>
>>not
>>
>>>>>>much in the way of recommendations except 4Wheelers Supply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Happy Trails,
>>>>>>Ron Hill
>>>>>>Black 2000 XJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>
>>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>
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86323 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 0:54pm
Subject: RE: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
Yes you will need the following tools.
Calipers
Mag base
Dial indicator
7/16 drill bit
3/8 pipe tap
Torque wrench
And the know how to setup the backlash on your gears.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Warner [mailto:wwarner@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:02 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
Is it difficult to install an ARB Locker in a Ford 8.8? Mostly I am
asking if I am going to need any special tools to do this?
Thanks
--
Bill Warner <wwarner@d...>
Direct Alliance
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86324 From: Bill Warner <wwarner@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 0:58pm
Subject: RE: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
Welp, to the shop it goes then.
Thanks
Bill
On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 12:54, Siade, Randy wrote:
> Yes you will need the following tools.
>
> Calipers
> Mag base
> Dial indicator
> 7/16 drill bit
> 3/8 pipe tap
> Torque wrench
>
> And the know how to setup the backlash on your gears.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Warner [mailto:wwarner@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
>
>
> Is it difficult to install an ARB Locker in a Ford 8.8? Mostly I am
> asking if I am going to need any special tools to do this?
>
> Thanks
--
Bill Warner <wwarner@d...>
Direct Alliance
86325 From: James Rogers <skijunkie@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:09pm
Subject: RE: What should I get next?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:48 AM
> To: James Rogers
> Subject: Re: What should I get next?
>
>
> James,
>
> What sort of Jeep do you have? What kind of wheeling do you want to
> do? THis will help for suggestions on what to do. DO you currently
> have oversized tires on your Jeep?
2002 TJ, I have stock Wrangler GSA tires. I don't want to do anything
extreme, I won't be running H2H or Anaconda.
86326 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:00pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are 9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35, which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before. They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8 info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the 4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86327 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:07pm
Subject: RE: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
I do this kind of stuff all the time. I just finished a TJ that I installed
a Super 35 w/ARB, Super 30 w/ARB, tera low 4:1, 2low and SYE, and a Tera
flex long arm 4" lift. Let me know if you want me to quote the work for you.
I have three gear jobs to do this weekend and will be on vacation the next
week so I would not be able to fit you in until the first week of July.
P.S. I am in the South East near Queen Creek.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Warner [mailto:wwarner@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:59 PM
To: Siade, Randy
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
Welp, to the shop it goes then.
Thanks
Bill
On Thu, 2003-06-19 at 12:54, Siade, Randy wrote:
> Yes you will need the following tools.
>
> Calipers
> Mag base
> Dial indicator
> 7/16 drill bit
> 3/8 pipe tap
> Torque wrench
>
> And the know how to setup the backlash on your gears.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Warner [mailto:wwarner@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
>
>
> Is it difficult to install an ARB Locker in a Ford 8.8? Mostly I am
> asking if I am going to need any special tools to do this?
>
> Thanks
--
Bill Warner <wwarner@d...>
Direct Alliance
86328 From: Keith <khaw@n...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Thanks Tom... Found them.
Keith
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86329 From: Brian Luse <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 1:37pm
Subject: Side mirror laws?
I don't have a mirror relocation bracket yet for the TJ and I was
wondering if I will get busted for running without the door mirrors.
I see it all the time, but with my luck I will get pulled over.
Comments?
TIA
Brian Luse aka Gray Matter
86330 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:00pm
Subject: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
If Sharky was not going to wider width axles he would have done an
8.8. I don't see enough extra strength in the 9" over the 8.8 to
warrant going to it unless you plan on being on H2H or Anaconda
everyday, even then the 8.8 would hold up. The extra cost of the
different bolt pattern, width, etc... increases the costs so much
that unless you are going full width it is not worth it in my
opinion to do a 9".
Chris (tested an 8.8, only failure is the diff cover)
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--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody
shearing off the
> ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
>
> And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts
are 9/16"
> instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9"
where as
> the 8.8 has 10.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
> To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Brandon,
>
> I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year.
Absolutely LOVE
> the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the
definite
> positives of the 8.8 are:
>
> 1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD
tubes, and ring
> gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock
on the
> 95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with
drums seems
> to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
combination
> valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the
disks. I have
> not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but
they stop,
> so I've been letting it slide.
> 3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the
D35, which
> isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35,
so wheels
> bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get
it,
> welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of
the install.
> 4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I
ordered a brand
> new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new
axles from
> Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
They're
> complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
brakelines).
> The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I
knew I was
> going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the
Detroit cost
> more than the damn axle ($520)!
>
> If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for
8.8 info,
> you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
>
> All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of
that was just
> parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker
and the
> gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor
to
> install and set-up the new gears and locker.
>
> As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires
and went
> with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
probably.
> Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may
not have
> wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with
the 4.10's.
>
> Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
>
> Tom
>
> ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What
kinda
> question is that?!?!? ;-)
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
> From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
> Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day
on
> MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking
at
> a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I
know
> you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I
also
> need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the
8.8
> or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
> tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is
4.11
> better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but
if
> I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am
kinda
> clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
> welcome.
>
> Happy Wheelin,
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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86331 From: Daver <daver@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:05pm
Subject: Re: Side mirror laws?
At 08:37 PM 6/19/2003 +0000, Brian Luse wrote:
>I don't have a mirror relocation bracket yet for the TJ and I was
>wondering if I will get busted for running without the door mirrors.
>I see it all the time, but with my luck I will get pulled over.
>Comments?
>TIA
>Brian Luse aka Gray Matter
Pretty sure you're cool as long as your center mirror isn't obstructed.
http://www.azleg.state.az.us/FormatD...28&DocType=ARS
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86332 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:08pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35" tires.
So relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an 8.8.
don't you think?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off
the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are
9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where
as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely
LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and
ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on
the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums
seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I
have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they
stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35,
which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so
wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the
install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a
brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles
from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I
was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit
cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8
info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was
just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and
the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and
went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the
4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86333 From: Jose Lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:14pm
Subject: Were to pull power (electric) on a ZJ
I'm looking for a power source on my 95 ZJ that meets the
following criteria:
1) Under the hood
2) Preferable hot only while running but at a minimum it has to be
switched; in other words it cannot be live all the time because it
is going to feed an electrical fan.
3) 30 to 40 amps
All help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks. - Jose
86334 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:15pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Just to though my 2 cents in here. The 9" can be built much stronger then
the 8.8. You can get massive 35 spline and even 40 spine axel shafts for the
9". The other advantages are the 9" is a third member and the diff housing
is steal so it is much easer to weld to for other customizing.
Of course I am a bit partial to the 9" as that is what I run with 1.5" 35
spline axel shafts and a Curry high pinion third member.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35" tires.
So relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an 8.8.
don't you think?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off
the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are
9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where
as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely
LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and
ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on
the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums
seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I
have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they
stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35,
which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so
wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the
install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a
brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles
from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I
was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit
cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8
info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was
just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and
the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and
went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the
4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86335 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:23pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
I know some also fear C-clips. The 8.8 is a C-clip axel.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:16 PM
To: DesertJeep; Scott Kruize; Tom Jacobson; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Just to though my 2 cents in here. The 9" can be built much stronger
then
the 8.8. You can get massive 35 spline and even 40 spine axel shafts for
the
9". The other advantages are the 9" is a third member and the diff
housing
is steal so it is much easer to weld to for other customizing.
Of course I am a bit partial to the 9" as that is what I run with 1.5"
35
spline axel shafts and a Curry high pinion third member.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35" tires.
So relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an 8.8.
don't you think?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off
the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are
9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where
as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely
LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and
ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on
the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums
seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I
have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they
stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35,
which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so
wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the
install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a
brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles
from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I
was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit
cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8
info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was
just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and
the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and
went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the
4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86336 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:27pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Sure it's a possibility but definitely not a weakness that I have ever heard
of in the Jeep community. Tires bigger than 37's don't belong on an 8.8 and
tires over 31" shouldn't be put on a D35. In my opinion your comparison
(35's on D35) is like putting 42s on an 88. Doh! I'm not arguing whether or
not the 9" is stronger. That would be ridiculous. Just stating that the 8.8
is a great axle for running up to 37's and up to that size the ring gear
bolt size just wouldn't be an issue. A 9" can run up to 40 spline shafts
with mods. It could handle those 42's. At that point I think your argument
would be more valid.
If you are really worried about strength come and look at the AAM 11.5 rear
end under my Duramax. It's equivalent to a Dana 80 with it's 1.60" shafts &
11.5" ring gear. Plus it's already got disc brakes. It makes those "puny"
D60's and 14 bolts look like popsicle sticks. <Grin>
Anyway, I look forward to hanging out with you tonight even if we disagree.
I better go buy some cold ones, LOL.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35" tires. So
relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an 8.8. don't you
think?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are 9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35, which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before. They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8 info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the 4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86337 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:29pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yep I forgot about that. You brake a c-clip axel and you are stranded.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Siade, Randy; 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
I know some also fear C-clips. The 8.8 is a C-clip axel.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:16 PM
To: DesertJeep; Scott Kruize; Tom Jacobson; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Just to though my 2 cents in here. The 9" can be built much stronger
then
the 8.8. You can get massive 35 spline and even 40 spine axel shafts for
the
9". The other advantages are the 9" is a third member and the diff
housing
is steal so it is much easer to weld to for other customizing.
Of course I am a bit partial to the 9" as that is what I run with 1.5"
35
spline axel shafts and a Curry high pinion third member.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35" tires.
So relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an 8.8.
don't you think?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off
the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are
9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where
as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely
LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and
ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on
the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums
seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I
have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they
stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35,
which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so
wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the
install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a
brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles
from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I
was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit
cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8
info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was
just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and
the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and
went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the
4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86338 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Exactly why the 2 axles are meant for different types of uses. Nothing wrong
with the c-clips as long as the shafts are strong enough for your particular
use.
You used to like the 8.8 until you found the 9" for your Jeep. (I can't wait
to stick that 9" POS in the back of my truck this weekend for you). Hmm, I
wonder why the newfound bias? <grin>
All in fun.....
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:23 PM
To: 'Siade, Randy'; 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
I know some also fear C-clips. The 8.8 is a C-clip axel.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:16 PM
To: DesertJeep; Scott Kruize; Tom Jacobson; bk83@j...;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Just to though my 2 cents in here. The 9" can be built much stronger then
the 8.8. You can get massive 35 spline and even 40 spine axel shafts for the
9". The other advantages are the 9" is a third member and the diff housing
is steal so it is much easer to weld to for other customizing.
Of course I am a bit partial to the 9" as that is what I run with 1.5" 35
spline axel shafts and a Curry high pinion third member.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35" tires. So
relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an 8.8. don't you
think?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody shearing off the
ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts are 9/16"
instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9" where as
the 8.8 has 10.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Brandon,
I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year. Absolutely LOVE
the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the definite
positives of the 8.8 are:
1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD tubes, and ring
gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock on the
95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with drums seems
to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a combination
valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the disks. I have
not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but they stop,
so I've been letting it slide.
3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the D35, which
isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so wheels
bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get it,
welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the install.
4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I ordered a brand
new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new axles from
Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before. They're
complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own brakelines).
The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I knew I was
going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the Detroit cost
more than the damn axle ($520)!
If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for 8.8 info,
you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of that was just
parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker and the
gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor to
install and set-up the new gears and locker.
As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires and went
with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's probably.
Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may not have
wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the 4.10's.
Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
Tom
ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What kinda
question is that?!?!? ;-)
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day on
MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking at
a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I know
you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I also
need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the 8.8
or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is 4.11
better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but if
I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am kinda
clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
welcome.
Happy Wheelin,
Brandon
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86339 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:42pm
Subject: RE: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Randy please correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is that the 9"
high pinion's run the 8.8 ring and pinion gears?
BTW Scott thanks for the heads up on Joey finally getting rid of the Dana
35. It is about time and now I understand why he was so vocal on this one
Jim F.
"I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member" Groucho
Marx
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/
86340 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 2:50pm
Subject: Re: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
ARB makes an air locker for the Super 30 & 35 now? WOW, when did
that start doing that? What is the p/n? I have never seen it in
their catalogue: http://www.arbusa.com/alac/usa/215110.pdf
BTW - If you are going to advertise your services, for hire, you
might want to do it in a personal email. Simon (at 4 Wheelers) and
some of the others can't get away with it, so why should you?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
wrote:
> I do this kind of stuff all the time. I just finished a TJ that I
installed
> a Super 35 w/ARB, Super 30 w/ARB, tera low 4:1, 2low and SYE, and
a Tera
> flex long arm 4" lift. Let me know if you want me to quote the
work for you.
> I have three gear jobs to do this weekend and will be on vacation
the next
> week so I would not be able to fit you in until the first week of
July.
>
> P.S. I am in the South East near Queen Creek.
>
>
86341 From: Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:07pm
Subject: house fire update
Hello all
Things are actually starting to look up after the fire last Monday.
We moved into the temporary (6 months or so) house on Friday.....if
you can call carrying 2 K-Mart bags full of new clothes "moving."
The cause and orgin guy from State Farm has cleared the house for
removal of salvagable items and the adjusters have finished sifting
ashes to find the destroyed items. The first building permit for the
reconstruction was issued Friday morning.
A big thank you to everyone who has sent messages and offers of
help - you have no idea how much it means to us.
This weekend I'm going to start clearing out the garage and RV yard
so that the demolition crew can begin tearing things down next week.
If anyone has some extra time and would like some exercise along
with free pizza and beer (the usual payment <grin> ), I could use
some help moving the woodpile, the CJ frame and tub, and the Dana
44's in the side yard. They aren't going far, just spotted along
the back fence to make room for the construction crew. If you feel
like coming over, shoot me an email at either lsulliv@c... or
kermitj10@y... or give me a call on my cell phone for directions.
The cell number is 480-235-4387.
Again, thanks to all who sent condolences.
Len and Pam
86342 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:08pm
Subject: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
I think if you shear off a bolt in an 8.8 you might be doing
something that might have done it on the 9". I agree the extra
bolts help spread the force, but that 8.8 is pretty darn stout. A
D35c is weak as they come, the 8.8 is stock more than a built D35
could ever be.
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35"
tires.
> So relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an
8.8.
> don't you think?
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
> To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody
shearing off
> the
> ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
>
> And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts
are
> 9/16"
> instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9"
where
> as
> the 8.8 has 10.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
> To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Brandon,
>
> I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year.
Absolutely
> LOVE
> the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the
definite
> positives of the 8.8 are:
>
> 1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD
tubes, and
> ring
> gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock
on
> the
> 95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with
drums
> seems
> to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
> combination
> valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the
disks. I
> have
> not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but
they
> stop,
> so I've been letting it slide.
> 3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the
D35,
> which
> isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so
> wheels
> bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get
it,
> welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the
> install.
> 4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I
ordered a
> brand
> new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new
axles
> from
> Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
> They're
> complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
> brakelines).
> The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I
knew I
> was
> going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the
Detroit
> cost
> more than the damn axle ($520)!
>
> If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for
8.8
> info,
> you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
>
> All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of
that was
> just
> parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker
and
> the
> gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor
to
> install and set-up the new gears and locker.
>
> As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires
and
> went
> with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
> probably.
> Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may
not have
> wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the
> 4.10's.
>
> Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
>
> Tom
>
> ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What
kinda
> question is that?!?!? ;-)
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
> From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
> Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day
on
> MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking
at
> a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I
know
> you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I
also
> need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the
8.8
> or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
> tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is
4.11
> better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but
if
> I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am
kinda
> clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
> welcome.
>
> Happy Wheelin,
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
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86343 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:09pm
Subject: Re: Re: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
Since when has there been a problem with anyone advertising their services
to the group? I seem to recall seeing so and so built me this cage,
bumper, tire carrier, sold me tires, etc.........there have never been any
complaints about those, so why is there now an issue?
Mike
98 ZJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
> ARB makes an air locker for the Super 30 & 35 now? WOW, when did
> that start doing that? What is the p/n? I have never seen it in
> their catalogue: http://www.arbusa.com/alac/usa/215110.pdf
>
> BTW - If you are going to advertise your services, for hire, you
> might want to do it in a personal email. Simon (at 4 Wheelers) and
> some of the others can't get away with it, so why should you?
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
> wrote:
> > I do this kind of stuff all the time. I just finished a TJ that I
> installed
> > a Super 35 w/ARB, Super 30 w/ARB, tera low 4:1, 2low and SYE, and
> a Tera
> > flex long arm 4" lift. Let me know if you want me to quote the
> work for you.
> > I have three gear jobs to do this weekend and will be on vacation
> the next
> > week so I would not be able to fit you in until the first week of
> July.
> >
> > P.S. I am in the South East near Queen Creek.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
86344 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:12pm
Subject: Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
Randy,
I would agree if you are going all out. The origin of the question
came from some one who is going to have this given to him as a
present for his birthday. I am figuring some cost is a factor in
this. For the cost of cutting down a 9" rear, setting it up,
changing the bolt pattern for the tires you could build an 8.8, re-
gear the front and rear for the larger tires and at least one
locker. The 9" would be getting done for the same ratio as the
front. Much more bang for the buck going the 8.8 route. Now if
this person was going full width front and rear and has that kind of
cash flow I would suggest the 9" or better yet D60's.
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
wrote:
> Just to though my 2 cents in here. The 9" can be built much
stronger then
> the 8.8. You can get massive 35 spline and even 40 spine axel
shafts for the
> 9". The other advantages are the 9" is a third member and the diff
housing
> is steal so it is much easer to weld to for other customizing.
>
> Of course I am a bit partial to the 9" as that is what I run with
1.5" 35
> spline axel shafts and a Curry high pinion third member.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:09 PM
> To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...;
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
>
> True, but I have heard of ring bolt shearing off on D35s with 35"
tires.
> So relatively it would be a possibility with larger tires on an
8.8.
> don't you think?
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:01 PM
> To: 'DesertJeep'; 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Yeah, but when was the last time you ever heard of anybody
shearing off
> the
> ring gear bolts? I think this is a moot point.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: 'Tom Jacobson'; bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
>
> And the thing Sharky would like about a 9" is the ring gear bolts
are
> 9/16"
> instead of the 7/16" on the 8.8 and there are 12 of them on the 9"
where
> as
> the 8.8 has 10.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Jacobson [mailto:tjacobson@t...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:51 AM
> To: bk83@j...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Brandon,
>
> I did the 8.8 swap into my 87 YJ back in Feb of this year.
Absolutely
> LOVE
> the upgrade! I don't know much about the 9", but some of the
definite
> positives of the 8.8 are:
>
> 1. Strength. It has 31 spline, 1.35" axle shafts, 3.25" OD
tubes, and
> ring
> gear is only .2" smaller than the 9". 2. Disk Brakes. Come stock
on
> the
> 95/up Exploder axles. Adding disks to an axle pre-equipped with
drums
> seems
> to be darn expensive. Problem is that you may need to swap a
> combination
> valve and master cylinder to get optimal performance from the
disks. I
> have
> not done this on mine yet. The brake pedal is really mushy, but
they
> stop,
> so I've been letting it slide.
> 3. Ease of install. 8.8 axle is only an inch narrower than the
D35,
> which
> isn't even noticeable. The bolt pattern is the same as the D35, so
> wheels
> bolt right on. Depending on how complete your 8.8 is when you get
it,
> welding on spring perches might be the most complicated part of the
> install.
> 4. Cost. I know you can get junkyard axles for less, but I
ordered a
> brand
> new 8.8 from Ariel Perfomance in Oklahoma. They have several new
axles
> from
> Fords overstock, so these have never been under a vehicle before.
> They're
> complete from caliper to caliper (but you need to run your own
> brakelines).
> The open, 3.54 geared version runs $425 plus shipping. Since I
knew I
> was
> going to regear and lock it up, thats the way I went. BTW,the
Detroit
> cost
> more than the damn axle ($520)!
>
> If you go to www.jeepaholics.com and search the tech section for
8.8
> info,
> you should find a semi-write up (w/ pictures) of my install.
>
> All told, I put about $1400 into my 8.8 swap. All but $150 of
that was
> just
> parts, with the big hitters being, oviously, the axle, the locker
and
> the
> gears. I did all the install work myself. The $150 was for labor
to
> install and set-up the new gears and locker.
>
> As for gears, what tranny you run? I run an auto with 33" tires
and
> went
> with 4.10's. If I had a 5spd, I might have geared lower, 4.56's
> probably.
> Although, like you, I already had 4.10's in the front, so I may
not have
> wanted to spend the money to regear 2 axles and just stuck with the
> 4.10's.
>
> Feel free to ask me anything else and good luck!
>
> Tom
>
> ps. NO! You can't re-use your D35 gears in the new axle. What
kinda
> question is that?!?!? ;-)
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 05:46:43 -0000
> From: "bk83gold" <bk83@j...>
> Subject: YJ rear axle swap ?
>
> Hey guys I have a 1990 YJ with a dana 35C rear. For my 21 B-Day
on
> MAY 11 I am asking for my parents to swap my axle. I was looking
at
> a ford 8.8 and the ford 9" Witch one is better to go with. I
know
> you can get an 8.8 out of an explorer but what about the 9". I
also
> need to know if I can use my 4.10 gears out of the dana 35 in the
8.8
> or 9", and if I cant what gears go well in these axle pushing 33"
> tires. One person sugested 4.11 and another suggested 4.56. Is
4.11
> better or worse than 4.10s? I know this is a lot of questions but
if
> I am going to have my parents do this then I need HELP. I am
kinda
> clueless right now. Any suggestions, input or ideas would be
> welcome.
>
> Happy Wheelin,
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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86345 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Jun 19, 2003 3:14pm
Subject: RE: Re: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
I just do this stuff on the side not really interested in advertising as I
get more then enough business by word of mouth. I have installed the very
first production versions. We had to wait for them to be manufactured by
Superior. Call them if you are interested. The super 30 ARB install went
very smooth but the super 35 ARB was not as smooth. There tolerance on the
center pin to the axel ends is very tight and needs to be loosed up by about
.010". Typical stuff when you are do the first of a kind.
-----Original Message-----
From: jetowle2000 [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Installing an ARB locker in 8.8
ARB makes an air locker for the Super 30 & 35 now? WOW, when did
that start doing that? What is the p/n? I have never seen it in
their catalogue: http://www.arbusa.com/alac/usa/215110.pdf
BTW - If you are going to advertise your services, for hire, you
might want to do it in a personal email. Simon (at 4 Wheelers) and
some of the others can't get away with it, so why should you?
--James
--- In az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...>
wrote:
> I do this kind of stuff all the time. I just finished a TJ that I
installed
> a Super 35 w/ARB, Super 30 w/ARB, tera low 4:1, 2low and SYE, and
a Tera
> flex long arm 4" lift. Let me know if you want me to quote the
work for you.
> I have three gear jobs to do this weekend and will be on vacation
the next
> week so I would not be able to fit you in until the first week of
July.
>
> P.S. I am in the South East near Queen Creek.
>
>
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