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49849 From: Aaron Gale <scoopman_2000@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 0:03am
Subject: RE: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
Just give me a Sun Ultra 80 workstation and Solaris 8 and I'm sound as a
pound. Forget about windows, we don't need no stinkin windows....hehe.
Aaron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dr_ww@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:15 PM
To: tomasr@a...
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
This may be true. I had an opportunity to use it and liked it, though
not as much as windows. It is still way better than Linux or windows in
as a whole package.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:13 PM
To: David R. W. Withers
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
What? OS X has a Windows-like feel? Horse****! That's backwards.
;-)
-Roger
"David R. W. Withers" wrote:
>
> If UNIX had a front end as simple and visually appealing as windows,
> no one would use windows. I think OS X might be the new happy
> medium. It is a UNIX based OS with a more windows like feel. You can
> run both windows apps and UNIX apps (UNIX apps, is that an oxymoron).
> Plus the G4 processor blows away a sun or Intel based processor.
> I still will use a Microsoft based workstation, and will not
> switch any time soon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:47 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS
> Format?
>
> Windows is a "personal use" operating system. It doesn't provide
> capabilities like multiprocessing that are necessary for large-scale
> applications. But then, it wasn't intended to. Comparing Windows and
> Unix is comparing apples and oranges, IMO.
>
> -Roger
>
> Joe West wrote:
> >
> > UNIX is indeed as good as operating systems get... Windows...
> > Sheesh... what garbage.
> >
> > > at work!! Ah, UNIX is great. )
>
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49850 From: Dave O <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 0:08am
Subject: Fwd: [ASA Updates] RAMP meetings start tonight
From: "American Sand Association" <AmSandAssoc@e...>
Reply-To: "American Sand Association" <AmSandAssoc@e...>
To: "Update Mass Mail" <updates@a...>
Subject: [ASA Updates] RAMP meetings start tonight
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:03:32 -0700
Dear Fellow Duner,
Situation:
There is a new Recreation Area Management Plan (RAMP) proposed by the BLM to
run the Imperial Sand Dunes. It decides how the dunes will be run for the
next 10 to 15 years. In its present form, there are many restrictions and
many ways to lock us out of the dunes.
Solution:
We must make productive comments on how we want to see the dunes operated.
That is the way we can influence the shape of the final plan. We stand a
good chance of swaying things our way.
3 Actions needed by you:
1) Attend one of the BLM RAMP meetings below to find out what is going on.
2) Go to an ASA RAMP meeting to clarify the issues, hear our suggested
comments, and learn the requirements of comments to which the BLM will
listen. Meetings to be announced soon.
3) Send in your written comments by the June 28th deadline.
The following are the BLM RAMP meetings - all are at 7 PM.
April 9, 2002
El Centro City Council Chambers
1275 Main Street
El Centro, CA
April 11, 2002
The Grand
4101 East Willow Street
Long Beach , CA 90815
April 15, 2002
Phoenix College
1202 West Thomas Road
Phoenix, AZ
April 18, 2002
Brawley City Council Chambers
225 A Street
Brawley. CA 92227
April 23. 2002
Yuma Civic and Convention Center
1440 W Desert Hills Drive
Yuma, AZ
April 25, 2002
Marriott Mission Valley
8757 Rio San Diego Drive
San Diego, CA 92108
The ASA
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49851 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:03am
Subject: Re: Spunkball
read all about it......
http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/spunkball.html
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
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49852 From: Mike & Karen Acuna <macunasprint@e...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 4:48am
Subject: Re: Spunkball
You appear to be correct. Do a search for spunkball, and you'll get a list of
another email hoax.
Mike
Darren Richards wrote:
> Yet another email hoax...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R.J. Baynum" <cyberphoenix@q...>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:50 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Spunkball
>
> > forwarded..good to know.. just in case..
> > R.J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Spunkball
> > Very Important
> > Heard anything about this?
> > Please keep all windows rolled up when stopped at traffic lights, as
> > only cars with windows down are being targeted. Groups of teenagers have
> > been caught, in alarming numbers, playing a new and dangerous game
> > called Spunkball. !
> > Spunkball consists of a group of teens in a car pulling up to a
> > stoplight, and looking around for a car stopped near by with an open
> > window. When one is spotted, the teens shout, "Spunkball", and throw a
> > gasoline soaked rag that has been wrapped in aluminum foil through the
> > open window.
> > On the outside of the foil attached a small fire*******, with the fuse
> > lit.
> > When the fire******* explodes, it shreds the foil, and the rag is
> > ignited, causing a large flame that may catch the interior of the car on
> > fire.
> > Spunkball playing has already claimed two lives, caused uncountable
> > injuries
> > due to burns, and caused thousands of dollars in damage to automobiles.
> > The best defense, say authorities, is to keep all windows rolled up when
> > stopped at traffic lights, as only cars with windows down are being
> > targeted.
> > If you are at a red light and hear a shout of "Spunkball", and notice
> > something come flying in your window, the best thing to do is to have
> > all passengers immediately exit the vehicle.DO NOT try to retrieve the
> > object, as
> > it will ignite once the fire******* explodes.
> > PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU CARE ABOUT.
> > Bea Maggio, FCLS
> > Allstate Insurance Co
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
> >
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49853 From: AzVJC Website <dookie78@j...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 5:51am
Subject: [TR] Woodpecker (Upper) - Sunday, April 14, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Bob Kennedy is leading a Woodpecker (Upper) trail run on Sunday, April 14, 2002.
When: 9:00 am
Where: Meet @ FJ Texaco @ 9:00 am
Rating: 4.0+
Length: 3-4 hrs
CB Channel: 4
Upper Woodpecker is a wash that runs to the Woodpecker Mine. Years ago this wash was the actual road from the mine. There have been many hours of fun playing and traversing on this trail. It offers rock ledges, cracks, "tippy spots" and is the home of the infamous "Fire Hole". It was one of the first "extreme" trails offered in Arizona.
Over the years this trail has seen the result of "rock stacking" and "ramp building" that has down rated the trail from a 4.5 to a 4.0 but it still has a number of "play areas" and lockers are still required for the harder portion of the trail.
Upon exiting the wash you will climb to the top of the hill where the mine is located. There is an amethyst pit mine near the entrance to the Woodpecker Mine where you will most likely find several "rock hounds" or mountain bikers.
Don't forget your lunch and water. This is one of the longer trails and is normally an all day trip.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
49854 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:03am
Subject: Fw: Undeliverable:
I keep getting this error over and over. Anyone know what the problem is?
My message will apear on the Az_Vjc Yahoo groups page but doesn't make it to
the mail list.
Nick
(if this even makes it through)
----- Original Message -----
From: "System Administrator" <postmaster@c...>
To: "Nick" <nnote@a...>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:29 AM
Subject: Undeliverable: [az_vjc] Re-writing trail descriptions on website.
> Your message
>
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re-writing trail descriptions on website.
>
> did not reach the following recipient(s):
>
> alphachi00@c... on 4/11/02 1:29:31 AM
> The person you are trying to e-mail has a full inbox. Please resend
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>
> x-sender:
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> yahoo.com
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49855 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:12am
Subject: Re: Undeliverable:
One of the people you're sending the message to (alphachi00) has a full
mailbox and so that particular message gets kicked back to you. Your mail
program is probably trying to redeliver, but it get's kicked back. The other
recipients should be getting your message, though.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick" <nnote@a...>
To: "AzVjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:03 AM
Subject: Fw: Undeliverable: [az_vjc]
> I keep getting this error over and over. Anyone know what the problem is?
> My message will apear on the Az_Vjc Yahoo groups page but doesn't make it
to
> the mail list.
> Nick
> (if this even makes it through)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "System Administrator" <postmaster@c...>
> To: "Nick" <nnote@a...>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:29 AM
> Subject: Undeliverable: [az_vjc] Re-writing trail descriptions on website.
>
>
> > Your message
> >
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re-writing trail descriptions on website.
> >
> > did not reach the following recipient(s):
> >
> > alphachi00@c... on 4/11/02 1:29:31 AM
> > The person you are trying to e-mail has a full inbox. Please resend
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> >
> >
> > x-sender:
> >
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> > yahoo.com
> > x-receiver: alphachi00@c...
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49856 From: Nick <nnote@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:22am
Subject: Re-writing trail descriptions.
Has or is anyone re-writing trail descriptions on the website? This might be something that needs to start being done. Trail are changing all the time. We need to keep our site current. Probably should be done by trip leaders shortly after a run.
Nick
(Sorry if this is the second time this went through, having problems...)
49857 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:26am
Subject: RE: MY VERY FIRST MILE!!!!!
Adam,
I'd recommend that you just replace your master cylinder with a more modern version with a reservoir... I'm not sure I'd attempt to repair the one you have broken the filler plug off of... its likely to be frustrating, and master cylinders are relatively inexpensive.
If you are leaking MOTOR oil at the engine bell housing interface, it is likely that your rear main seal is leaking... if you are leaking GEAR oil at the engine bell housing interface, it is likely that your transmission input shaft seal is leaking. Both are relatively easy to replace, but require dropping the transmission to get to the seals.
Not sure why someone would torch the bell housing... very odd...
The drive shaft seals at the differential and transfer case ends are not particularly difficult to replace, but if you've never done it, you may want someone who has to give you a hand.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam DuBose [mailto:afdinaz@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:36 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] MY VERY FIRST MILE!!!!!
Dear Everyone,
I drove my jeep for the very first time tonight. It was everything I dreampt(sp) it would be. Oh and the brakes don't work yet...still have a few kinks to work out.
I had never driven a jeep vehicle before....ever. This is the same jeep that was addressed in the "JEEP IN MONTANA" series prior to Christmas.
It's a '67 CJ5 and there is no brake reservoir. I am wondering how to upgrade this system. I tried taking bolt out of the top of the "master cylinder" and the top of the plug broke off, the center is hollow. So now there is the threaded section of the plug still in the top. No known way to remove. I have attempted to contact wilwood several times and can never get anyone to call me back with any prices. How expensive are their products? Any and info would be greatly appreciated.
Also, I'd had the engine running several times, but tonight prior to the drive there is a new oil leak coming from between the engine/bell housing. Also, there is no dust cover, and there is a section of the bell housing torched off directly behind the starter. Aside from pure ignorance why would some one do this? Any suggestions on oil leak? and how hard is it to the gasket? I also have multiple leaks at all ends of the drive shafts. Are these gaskets hard to replace?
TIA
Adam DuBose
'67 CJ5
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49858 From: Baja Fleg <fleigle@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:39am
Subject: Re: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
Hey DougB could you do us digesters a favor and just post the link next
time? Please, Please, Please!!!!
The Link for the rest of you
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?&id=313674
Michael
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:37:08 -0700
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
Subject: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
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49859 From: Baja Fleg <fleigle@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:48am
Subject: Re: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
Hey DougB could you do us digesters a favor and just post the link next
time? Please, Please, Please!!!!
The Link for the rest of you
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?&id=313674
Michael
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:37:08 -0700
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
Subject: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
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49860 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:48am
Subject: Re: Anybody use JKS Quicker Disconnects?
I have those discos on with a 2" spacer lift... they are the best!
no noise at all, easy to put back on at the end of the run... -Rob
49861 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:52am
Subject: Re: Re: Mobil 1 changes to formula???
Sorry bout that. I was only trying to paste the one message, but the entire
thread got linked. Will do the addy next time
Anyway, I sure hope the info isn't true...that they may be going to a
cheaper base stock. Would be a real shame. Here's another link discussing
the possible alterations.
http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforu...ba2aa87cb9d5b3
32196127453f&threadid=35289
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
> Hey DougB could you do us digesters a favor and just post the link next
> time? Please, Please, Please!!!!
> The Link for the rest of you
> http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?&id=313674
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:37:08 -0700
> From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
> Subject: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
>
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49862 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:54am
Subject: Fw: Re: Mobil 1 changes to formula???
Sorry bout that. I was only trying to paste the one message, but the entire
thread got linked. Will do the addy next time
Anyway, I sure hope the info isn't true...that they may be going to a
cheaper base stock. Would be a real shame. Here's another link discussing
the possible alterations.
http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforu...ba2aa87cb9d5b3
32196127453f&threadid=35289
Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Baja Fleg" <fleigle@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:39 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
>
>
> > Hey DougB could you do us digesters a favor and just post the link next
> > time? Please, Please, Please!!!!
> > The Link for the rest of you
> > http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?&id=313674
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 18:37:08 -0700
> > From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
> > Subject: Mobil 1 info off of VW board
> >
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49863 From: ROBERT NYBERG <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:56am
Subject: [Fwd: Closure of FR 89]
Sorry for the long post but if this is the way the owner of the Mill Restaurant feels about 4 Wheelers, I for one will not be going there any more and I would think all others would feel and do the same. We as OHV'ers have been one of major customers of this establishment for years and we are thought of as garbage.
Yota dude wrote:
I feel compelled to offer a clarification of Brad Jones’ account regarding the closure of Forest Road 89 in the Prescott National Forest. (Wheel Dust Spring 2002)
When any governmental agency proceeds to conduct an end run around established procedures and in the process deny the public their voice and rights, there is cause for concern.
Brad Jones and I met with the new owner of the Swastika on separate occasions and apparently came away with widely different opinions. The new owner of the Swastika Mine made several statements which reflect his opinions regarding four wheelers, preservation of historic sites and over all access to public lands.
Specifically, the owner of the Swastika (and the Mill Restaurant in Crown King),
* referred repeatedly to four wheelers in less than flattering anatomical terms
* asserted his "right" to "shoot trespassers" at the Swastika Mine
* boasted of looting artifacts from ghost towns and mine sites
* reiterated his opinion that general access to all public lands should be limited.
Given these sentiments expressed by the Swastika owner, Mr. Jones’ proclamation, "be kind to your local rancher and mine owner, he might hold the key to your access," is particularly offensive. I informed Brad Jones of several options regarding the FR 89 situation, including but not limited to, a boycott of the Mill Restaurant, possible legal action against the Prescott National Forest and the Swastika Mine owner and finally, securing the assistance of a neutral third party in arbitrating the dispute.
If Mr. Jones wishes to patronize the establishment of an individual who apparently has such ill feelings towards four wheelers, that is his choice (albeit a highly hypocritical one). For that reason (among others), Mr. Jones and I parted company on the issue of the closure of FR 89.
Brad Jones is correct in his statement that the Swastika Mine claim is private property and the owner of that property is entitled to limit access to the tract. However, Jones ignores the precedent set by past owners in granting access across the claim (as opposed to general access to the claim itself). Under the doctrine of Eminent Domain or the Grandfather Clause, the public can indeed assert a right to passage across the property.
The Prescott National Forest (as well as most national forests) is littered with many forest roads crossing private property. The Prescott National Forest admits to being remiss in seeking legal easements in situations such as FR 89. However, the Prescott National Forest is never remiss in closing routes to vehicular traffic.
One of the most notable easement issues involves the popular run from Lake Pleasant to Crown King. That particular road travels over a significant expanse of private land at the Oro Belle mine site. Would Brad Jones pass on the closure of that route under similar circumstances? The only reason that the closure of FR 89 escaped notice was due to its relative obscurity: that may soon change, however, with the release of Charles Wells’ new book, "Guide to Arizona Backroads and 4WD Trails.
For those who are not familiar with the area under discussion, the permitting of a locked, private gate by an agency of the Federal Government on public lands under the guise of protecting private property without any public input or valid reason should be a cause for rallying any troops. Additionally, the locating of a gate far off the boundaries of a tract of private property under the guise of safety should also concern any user of the national forest. The current location of the gate barring access to FR 89 has absolutely nothing to do with safety: by the gate owner’s own admission, the current location gives him an ample "buffer zone" in an attempt to keep people off of his property. The "buffer zone" is public land: land which belongs to the people
The Swastika Mine was abandoned when the current owner took possession. Despite the new owner’s claims of "thousands of dollars" being lost to vandals, there has been no proof offered to verify such an outlandish assertion; certainly no proof to justify the closing a historical section of forest road.
Additionally, while the new Swastika owner claims to have plans for a massive development on the Swastika site, reality holds a different future. There is no supporting infrastructure and the cost to implement one would exceed any potential revenues generated by said development. Furthermore, the costs and procedures involved in securing the necessary environmental impact permits would take years to accomplish.
In short: there is nothing at the Swastika Mine to justify closing of FR 89. There is no mining activity. There is no inhabited dwelling. There is no personal property of any significant value. The closure of FR 89 is nothing other than pure politics by the current Swastika owner.
Brad Jones is mistaken in labeling FR89 as a "shortcut" to the Goat Ranch. FR 89 closely follows the original route of the Senator Highway from Territorial Days, which of course linked Crown King to Prescott. FR 89 travels by the Peck and Black Warrior mining claims as well as the historic town site of Alexandra.
The issue is even more transparent when one studies the reality that FR 89 has not been closed but rather obstructed and remains open from the Desoto Mine/Goat Ranch area back to the Swastika Mine. This action by the Forest Service of allowing one arbitrary gate which partially obstructs a nine mile route with multiple entrances has created a deliberate safety hazard in the Prescott National Forest.
Since Brad Jones and the ASA4WDC have opted to pass on preserving the right of public access through the length of FR 89, I have enlisted the help of Congressman John Shadegg’s office in this matter. At the very minimum, the assistance of Congressman Shadegg will assure that the Forest Service is held completely accountable for all of its actions. The file of communications on this matter is growing by the month, and to be honest, the Prescott National Forest Administration has not been competent in justifying their actions.
A quick study of the area in question reveals that FR 89 is the only safe route out of the Goat Ranch location. The two other access routes are exceedingly difficult for any vehicle not highly modified for off road use or contain gradients that would challenge any vehicle’s capabilities. The current situation, as verified by Ranger William Cook, is an accident waiting to happen. The official position of the Prescott National Forest in this matter is a very laissez faire approach: you got in, now get out on your own. Such a cavalier attitude by the Forest Service, which seems to be prevalent across the country, has been directly or indirectly responsible for the injury or deaths of several forest visitors.
Already, two instances have been recorded of four wheelers coming up on the "wrong" side of the gate. In one instance, it was a convoy of elderly people in their jeeps. Fortunately for them, the gate had been left (or forced) open. Their passage through was unhindered. In the other instance, a lone four wheeler came up to the gate and found himself locked in. Reluctant to try to wind his way out through the steep gradients, off-camber hills and rock obstacles, this individual would have been trapped if not for the fact that he had his cellular phone and was able to secure communication with the Forest Service. A "rescue" was dispatched in about two hours to open the gate.
How many more incidents like these will be played out is uncertain. What is possible is that a party may try to exit from the locked gate back the way they entered and meet with an accident or worse. In such a case, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that the Prescott National Forest will be forced to act. Such action may be in the form of closing the entire FR 89/FR 9268R (DeSoto Mine) road network to public access. Already, Congressman Shadegg’s office has posited this scenario as a possible (and undesirable) solution.
Of course, given the full briefing that the closure of FR 89 has now had through Congressman Shadegg’s office, the possibility also exists of a legal confrontation between an injured party, the Forest Service and the Swastika Mine owner.
All of this could have been avoided if the Prescott National Forest had acted in a matter consistent with the best interests of all parties involved instead of reacting to the invalid and spurious claims of one party. While Mr. Jones may pass on this issue, I remain committed to seeing a fair and equitable solution to the closure of FR 89. If, in the interests of public safety, that means closing down an entire network of historic forest roads, then such must be the case. The alternative is to wait for injury, property damage or a possible fatality to occur. That is simply not acceptable to any responsible offroad enthusiast.
Bill Dougan
Copies of all correspondence between the Prescott National Forest, Congressman John Shadegg’s office and myself available in a multi-part Win-zipped Adobe pdf archive.
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49864 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:15am
Subject: Re: Test
Umm, I'll draw the line at "Like" him Scott.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: 'Halverson' ; 'David Withers' ; joew@avanticorp.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
Yeah but we still love him.....
LOL
SK
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:22 PM
To: David Withers; joew@avanticorp.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Test
David,
When the partial list of categories came up a couple of days ago, your name leaped to mind about the one for most annoying without any prompting. Sorry but true.;>)
See you on the dust bunnies run.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: David Withers
To: joew@avanticorp.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
should I have put a grin to make it less personal.
when do I get my award for most annoying member?
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joew@avanticorp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:45 PM
To: 'David R. W. Withers'; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
David,
ASCII characters ARE *real* data. I'm not making this personal here... please try to keep your responses similar.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David R. W. Withers [mailto:dr_ww@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:50 PM
To: joew@avanticorp.com; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
Joe,
I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant, smart ***. I just don't see why we have to see so many of these. Why not test with real data?!
David R. W. Withers
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joew@avanticorp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:31 PM
To: 'robert mcneeley'; 'David R. W. Withers'; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
Robert,
You're fine. No one... and I mean NO ONE needs to be told not to open a test file. When you see TEST in a subject line... you know it is a TEST file.
Don't change anything and don't put [OT] Test... that is just flat ridiculous.
Now that David has figured out that TEST means OFF TOPIC he'll know to delete these in the future without complaint.
Joe West
PS... you are far to nice Robert... but good job!
-----Original Message-----
From: robert mcneeley [mailto:rubberside_up309@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:42 AM
To: David R. W. Withers; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
Sorry to piss you off. But I guess it would be better to be pissed off than pissed on...
If it has test in the subject what would the point of doing an OT with Test??? I never open the test ones... I will stop assuming that people would just delete a test and not open it. Once again Sorry.
Robert aka Fat Bob
"David R. W. Withers" wrote:
***!!!
Why must we receive 3 or 4 of these every day? At least put OT in the subject line.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@email.uophx.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Test
4/10/02 9:40
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49865 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:37am
Subject: Re: MY VERY FIRST MILE!!!!!
To finish up where Joe left off,
To tell if it is engine oil, it will most likely be blacker than Gear oil, and smell like an exhaust pipe.
Gear oil smells more like sulphur.
My money is on rear main leak due to age of the Jeep and "Other" factors I won't go into.
Getting to it is going to be tough. At a Minimum the oil pan will have to be removed, and if That can't be done in the vehicle, you'll have to pull the motor.
Without actually seeing what has been torched off, or knowing what motor is in your Jeep, I can offer up these possibilities:
If it is a portion under the starter it may have been removed for driveshaft clearance.
If it is on the back of the bellhousing, someone might have created a window for timing the motor off the flywheel.
Are you sure It is torched off? Could it be the clutch decided to supernova at an inopportune moment?
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe W
To: 'Adam DuBose' ; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] MY VERY FIRST MILE!!!!!
Adam,
I'd recommend that you just replace your master cylinder with a more modern version with a reservoir... I'm not sure I'd attempt to repair the one you have broken the filler plug off of... its likely to be frustrating, and master cylinders are relatively inexpensive.
If you are leaking MOTOR oil at the engine bell housing interface, it is likely that your rear main seal is leaking... if you are leaking GEAR oil at the engine bell housing interface, it is likely that your transmission input shaft seal is leaking. Both are relatively easy to replace, but require dropping the transmission to get to the seals.
Not sure why someone would torch the bell housing... very odd...
The drive shaft seals at the differential and transfer case ends are not particularly difficult to replace, but if you've never done it, you may want someone who has to give you a hand.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam DuBose [mailto:afdinaz@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:36 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] MY VERY FIRST MILE!!!!!
Dear Everyone,
I drove my jeep for the very first time tonight. It was everything I dreampt(sp) it would be. Oh and the brakes don't work yet...still have a few kinks to work out.
I had never driven a jeep vehicle before....ever. This is the same jeep that was addressed in the "JEEP IN MONTANA" series prior to Christmas.
It's a '67 CJ5 and there is no brake reservoir. I am wondering how to upgrade this system. I tried taking bolt out of the top of the "master cylinder" and the top of the plug broke off, the center is hollow. So now there is the threaded section of the plug still in the top. No known way to remove. I have attempted to contact wilwood several times and can never get anyone to call me back with any prices. How expensive are their products? Any and info would be greatly appreciated.
Also, I'd had the engine running several times, but tonight prior to the drive there is a new oil leak coming from between the engine/bell housing. Also, there is no dust cover, and there is a section of the bell housing torched off directly behind the starter. Aside from pure ignorance why would some one do this? Any suggestions on oil leak? and how hard is it to the gasket? I also have multiple leaks at all ends of the drive shafts. Are these gaskets hard to replace?
TIA
Adam DuBose
'67 CJ5
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49866 From: msa12171 <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:47am
Subject: Re: Test
Joe, get a job.
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> The following is a test of the emergency Test system... this is
only a test.
> For the following sixty seconds, we will be testing the emergency
test test
> system.
>
> "Testing one two three... Testing one two three... Testing one two
three...
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>
> This concludes our testing of the Emergency Test Test system. In
the event
> of a real post, you would have been directed to view the subject
line which
> would read something other than "Test".
>
> Thank you.
49867 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:17am
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Closure of FR 89]
First, despite the great food at the Mill, I'm with you on the boycott of their establishment.
Bear in mind, my solution is to remove the locked gate, and permit access. This also appears to be Bill Dougan's proposed solution. Where we differ is in how to deal with a safety concern if that becomes impossible.
That being said:
It seems as though what Bill Dougan is saying, is that if the initial closure and locked gate stands, that he's for closing more roads, in the interest of "public safety".
I don't agree. You can't legislate common sense. Two wrongs don't make a right.
To close the roads, they would have to post a sign. So, post a sign that warns of the danger before someone gets into it, and let them make the decision on whether they are capable of handling it.
It's my belief that it's not governments job to protect the public from Jeopardizing themselves. People need to take responsibility for their actions. Warning them of a danger is one thing, coddling them by closing access is another.
It is this very mentality that puts at EXTREME risk, allot of other controversial activities the public engages in.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT NYBERG
To: AZVJC
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:56 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: Closure of FR 89]
Sorry for the long post but if this is the way the owner of the Mill Restaurant feels about 4 Wheelers, I for one will not be going there any more and I would think all others would feel and do the same. We as OHV'ers have been one of major customers of this establishment for years and we are thought of as garbage.
Yota dude wrote:
I feel compelled to offer a clarification of Brad Jones’ account regarding the closure of Forest Road 89 in the Prescott National Forest. (Wheel Dust Spring 2002)
When any governmental agency proceeds to conduct an end run around established procedures and in the process deny the public their voice and rights, there is cause for concern.
Brad Jones and I met with the new owner of the Swastika on separate occasions and apparently came away with widely different opinions. The new owner of the Swastika Mine made several statements which reflect his opinions regarding four wheelers, preservation of historic sites and over all access to public lands.
Specifically, the owner of the Swastika (and the Mill Restaurant in Crown King),
* referred repeatedly to four wheelers in less than flattering anatomical terms
* asserted his "right" to "shoot trespassers" at the Swastika Mine
* boasted of looting artifacts from ghost towns and mine sites
* reiterated his opinion that general access to all public lands should be limited.
Given these sentiments expressed by the Swastika owner, Mr. Jones’ proclamation, "be kind to your local rancher and mine owner, he might hold the key to your access," is particularly offensive. I informed Brad Jones of several options regarding the FR 89 situation, including but not limited to, a boycott of the Mill Restaurant, possible legal action against the Prescott National Forest and the Swastika Mine owner and finally, securing the assistance of a neutral third party in arbitrating the dispute.
If Mr. Jones wishes to patronize the establishment of an individual who apparently has such ill feelings towards four wheelers, that is his choice (albeit a highly hypocritical one). For that reason (among others), Mr. Jones and I parted company on the issue of the closure of FR 89.
Brad Jones is correct in his statement that the Swastika Mine claim is private property and the owner of that property is entitled to limit access to the tract. However, Jones ignores the precedent set by past owners in granting access across the claim (as opposed to general access to the claim itself). Under the doctrine of Eminent Domain or the Grandfather Clause, the public can indeed assert a right to passage across the property.
The Prescott National Forest (as well as most national forests) is littered with many forest roads crossing private property. The Prescott National Forest admits to being remiss in seeking legal easements in situations such as FR 89. However, the Prescott National Forest is never remiss in closing routes to vehicular traffic.
One of the most notable easement issues involves the popular run from Lake Pleasant to Crown King. That particular road travels over a significant expanse of private land at the Oro Belle mine site. Would Brad Jones pass on the closure of that route under similar circumstances? The only reason that the closure of FR 89 escaped notice was due to its relative obscurity: that may soon change, however, with the release of Charles Wells’ new book, "Guide to Arizona Backroads and 4WD Trails.
For those who are not familiar with the area under discussion, the permitting of a locked, private gate by an agency of the Federal Government on public lands under the guise of protecting private property without any public input or valid reason should be a cause for rallying any troops. Additionally, the locating of a gate far off the boundaries of a tract of private property under the guise of safety should also concern any user of the national forest. The current location of the gate barring access to FR 89 has absolutely nothing to do with safety: by the gate owner’s own admission, the current location gives him an ample "buffer zone" in an attempt to keep people off of his property. The "buffer zone" is public land: land which belongs to the people
The Swastika Mine was abandoned when the current owner took possession. Despite the new owner’s claims of "thousands of dollars" being lost to vandals, there has been no proof offered to verify such an outlandish assertion; certainly no proof to justify the closing a historical section of forest road.
Additionally, while the new Swastika owner claims to have plans for a massive development on the Swastika site, reality holds a different future. There is no supporting infrastructure and the cost to implement one would exceed any potential revenues generated by said development. Furthermore, the costs and procedures involved in securing the necessary environmental impact permits would take years to accomplish.
In short: there is nothing at the Swastika Mine to justify closing of FR 89. There is no mining activity. There is no inhabited dwelling. There is no personal property of any significant value. The closure of FR 89 is nothing other than pure politics by the current Swastika owner.
Brad Jones is mistaken in labeling FR89 as a "shortcut" to the Goat Ranch. FR 89 closely follows the original route of the Senator Highway from Territorial Days, which of course linked Crown King to Prescott. FR 89 travels by the Peck and Black Warrior mining claims as well as the historic town site of Alexandra.
The issue is even more transparent when one studies the reality that FR 89 has not been closed but rather obstructed and remains open from the Desoto Mine/Goat Ranch area back to the Swastika Mine. This action by the Forest Service of allowing one arbitrary gate which partially obstructs a nine mile route with multiple entrances has created a deliberate safety hazard in the Prescott National Forest.
Since Brad Jones and the ASA4WDC have opted to pass on preserving the right of public access through the length of FR 89, I have enlisted the help of Congressman John Shadegg’s office in this matter. At the very minimum, the assistance of Congressman Shadegg will assure that the Forest Service is held completely accountable for all of its actions. The file of communications on this matter is growing by the month, and to be honest, the Prescott National Forest Administration has not been competent in justifying their actions.
A quick study of the area in question reveals that FR 89 is the only safe route out of the Goat Ranch location. The two other access routes are exceedingly difficult for any vehicle not highly modified for off road use or contain gradients that would challenge any vehicle’s capabilities. The current situation, as verified by Ranger William Cook, is an accident waiting to happen. The official position of the Prescott National Forest in this matter is a very laissez faire approach: you got in, now get out on your own. Such a cavalier attitude by the Forest Service, which seems to be prevalent across the country, has been directly or indirectly responsible for the injury or deaths of several forest visitors.
Already, two instances have been recorded of four wheelers coming up on the "wrong" side of the gate. In one instance, it was a convoy of elderly people in their jeeps. Fortunately for them, the gate had been left (or forced) open. Their passage through was unhindered. In the other instance, a lone four wheeler came up to the gate and found himself locked in. Reluctant to try to wind his way out through the steep gradients, off-camber hills and rock obstacles, this individual would have been trapped if not for the fact that he had his cellular phone and was able to secure communication with the Forest Service. A "rescue" was dispatched in about two hours to open the gate.
How many more incidents like these will be played out is uncertain. What is possible is that a party may try to exit from the locked gate back the way they entered and meet with an accident or worse. In such a case, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that the Prescott National Forest will be forced to act. Such action may be in the form of closing the entire FR 89/FR 9268R (DeSoto Mine) road network to public access. Already, Congressman Shadegg’s office has posited this scenario as a possible (and undesirable) solution.
Of course, given the full briefing that the closure of FR 89 has now had through Congressman Shadegg’s office, the possibility also exists of a legal confrontation between an injured party, the Forest Service and the Swastika Mine owner.
All of this could have been avoided if the Prescott National Forest had acted in a matter consistent with the best interests of all parties involved instead of reacting to the invalid and spurious claims of one party. While Mr. Jones may pass on this issue, I remain committed to seeing a fair and equitable solution to the closure of FR 89. If, in the interests of public safety, that means closing down an entire network of historic forest roads, then such must be the case. The alternative is to wait for injury, property damage or a possible fatality to occur. That is simply not acceptable to any responsible offroad enthusiast.
Bill Dougan
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49868 From: Theon Wier <theon@c...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:19am
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Closure of FR 89]
I with you on that as well, if closing all access, then what happens to the 4 wheelers that do want to and can take the risk.
Theon Wier
1990 XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 8:17 AM
To: r.nyberg@worldnet.att.net; AZVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [Fwd: Closure of FR 89]
First, despite the great food at the Mill, I'm with you on the boycott of their establishment.
Bear in mind, my solution is to remove the locked gate, and permit access. This also appears to be Bill Dougan's proposed solution. Where we differ is in how to deal with a safety concern if that becomes impossible.
That being said:
It seems as though what Bill Dougan is saying, is that if the initial closure and locked gate stands, that he's for closing more roads, in the interest of "public safety".
I don't agree. You can't legislate common sense. Two wrongs don't make a right.
To close the roads, they would have to post a sign. So, post a sign that warns of the danger before someone gets into it, and let them make the decision on whether they are capable of handling it.
It's my belief that it's not governments job to protect the public from Jeopardizing themselves. People need to take responsibility for their actions. Warning them of a danger is one thing, coddling them by closing access is another.
It is this very mentality that puts at EXTREME risk, allot of other controversial activities the public engages in.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT NYBERG
To: AZVJC
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:56 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: Closure of FR 89]
Sorry for the long post but if this is the way the owner of the Mill Restaurant feels about 4 Wheelers, I for one will not be going there any more and I would think all others would feel and do the same. We as OHV'ers have been one of major customers of this establishment for years and we are thought of as garbage.
Yota dude wrote:
I feel compelled to offer a clarification of Brad Jones account regarding the closure of Forest Road 89 in the Prescott National Forest. (Wheel Dust Spring 2002)
When any governmental agency proceeds to conduct an end run around established procedures and in the process deny the public their voice and rights, there is cause for concern.
Brad Jones and I met with the new owner of the Swastika on separate occasions and apparently came away with widely different opinions. The new owner of the Swastika Mine made several statements which reflect his opinions regarding four wheelers, preservation of historic sites and over all access to public lands.
Specifically, the owner of the Swastika (and the Mill Restaurant in Crown King),
* referred repeatedly to four wheelers in less than flattering anatomical terms
* asserted his "right" to "shoot trespassers" at the Swastika Mine
* boasted of looting artifacts from ghost towns and mine sites
* reiterated his opinion that general access to all public lands should be limited.
Given these sentiments expressed by the Swastika owner, Mr. Jones proclamation, "be kind to your local rancher and mine owner, he might hold the key to your access," is particularly offensive. I informed Brad Jones of several options regarding the FR 89 situation, including but not limited to, a boycott of the Mill Restaurant, possible legal action against the Prescott National Forest and the Swastika Mine owner and finally, securing the assistance of a neutral third party in arbitrating the dispute.
If Mr. Jones wishes to patronize the establishment of an individual who apparently has such ill feelings towards four wheelers, that is his choice (albeit a highly hypocritical one). For that reason (among others), Mr. Jones and I parted company on the issue of the closure of FR 89.
Brad Jones is correct in his statement that the Swastika Mine claim is private property and the owner of that property is entitled to limit access to the tract. However, Jones ignores the precedent set by past owners in granting access across the claim (as opposed to general access to the claim itself). Under the doctrine of Eminent Domain or the Grandfather Clause, the public can indeed assert a right to passage across the property.
The Prescott National Forest (as well as most national forests) is littered with many forest roads crossing private property. The Prescott National Forest admits to being remiss in seeking legal easements in situations such as FR 89. However, the Prescott National Forest is never remiss in closing routes to vehicular traffic.
One of the most notable easement issues involves the popular run from Lake Pleasant to Crown King. That particular road travels over a significant expanse of private land at the Oro Belle mine site. Would Brad Jones pass on the closure of that route under similar circumstances? The only reason that the closure of FR 89 escaped notice was due to its relative obscurity: that may soon change, however, with the release of Charles Wells new book, "Guide to Arizona Backroads and 4WD Trails.
For those who are not familiar with the area under discussion, the permitting of a locked, private gate by an agency of the Federal Government on public lands under the guise of protecting private property without any public input or valid reason should be a cause for rallying any troops. Additionally, the locating of a gate far off the boundaries of a tract of private property under the guise of safety should also concern any user of the national forest. The current location of the gate barring access to FR 89 has absolutely nothing to do with safety: by the gate owners own admission, the current location gives him an ample "buffer zone" in an attempt to keep people off of his property. The "buffer zone" is public land: land which belongs to the people
The Swastika Mine was abandoned when the current owner took possession. Despite the new owners claims of "thousands of dollars" being lost to vandals, there has been no proof offered to verify such an outlandish assertion; certainly no proof to justify the closing a historical section of forest road.
Additionally, while the new Swastika owner claims to have plans for a massive development on the Swastika site, reality holds a different future. There is no supporting infrastructure and the cost to implement one would exceed any potential revenues generated by said development. Furthermore, the costs and procedures involved in securing the necessary environmental impact permits would take years to accomplish.
In short: there is nothing at the Swastika Mine to justify closing of FR 89. There is no mining activity. There is no inhabited dwelling. There is no personal property of any significant value. The closure of FR 89 is nothing other than pure politics by the current Swastika owner.
Brad Jones is mistaken in labeling FR89 as a "shortcut" to the Goat Ranch. FR 89 closely follows the original route of the Senator Highway from Territorial Days, which of course linked Crown King to Prescott. FR 89 travels by the Peck and Black Warrior mining claims as well as the historic town site of Alexandra.
The issue is even more transparent when one studies the reality that FR 89 has not been closed but rather obstructed and remains open from the Desoto Mine/Goat Ranch area back to the Swastika Mine. This action by the Forest Service of allowing one arbitrary gate which partially obstructs a nine mile route with multiple entrances has created a deliberate safety hazard in the Prescott National Forest.
Since Brad Jones and the ASA4WDC have opted to pass on preserving the right of public access through the length of FR 89, I have enlisted the help of Congressman John Shadeggs office in this matter. At the very minimum, the assistance of Congressman Shadegg will assure that the Forest Service is held completely accountable for all of its actions. The file of communications on this matter is growing by the month, and to be honest, the Prescott National Forest Administration has not been competent in justifying their actions.
A quick study of the area in question reveals that FR 89 is the only safe route out of the Goat Ranch location. The two other access routes are exceedingly difficult for any vehicle not highly modified for off road use or contain gradients that would challenge any vehicles capabilities. The current situation, as verified by Ranger William Cook, is an accident waiting to happen. The official position of the Prescott National Forest in this matter is a very laissez faire approach: you got in, now get out on your own. Such a cavalier attitude by the Forest Service, which seems to be prevalent across the country, has been directly or indirectly responsible for the injury or deaths of several forest visitors.
Already, two instances have been recorded of four wheelers coming up on the "wrong" side of the gate. In one instance, it was a convoy of elderly people in their jeeps. Fortunately for them, the gate had been left (or forced) open. Their passage through was unhindered. In the other instance, a lone four wheeler came up to the gate and found himself locked in. Reluctant to try to wind his way out through the steep gradients, off-camber hills and rock obstacles, this individual would have been trapped if not for the fact that he had his cellular phone and was able to secure communication with the Forest Service. A "rescue" was dispatched in about two hours to open the gate.
How many more incidents like these will be played out is uncertain. What is possible is that a party may try to exit from the locked gate back the way they entered and meet with an accident or worse. In such a case, it doesnt take a genius to realize that the Prescott National Forest will be forced to act. Such action may be in the form of closing the entire FR 89/FR 9268R (DeSoto Mine) road network to public access. Already, Congressman Shadeggs office has posited this scenario as a possible (and undesirable) solution.
Of course, given the full briefing that the closure of FR 89 has now had through Congressman Shadeggs office, the possibility also exists of a legal confrontation between an injured party, the Forest Service and the Swastika Mine owner.
All of this could have been avoided if the Prescott National Forest had acted in a matter consistent with the best interests of all parties involved instead of reacting to the invalid and spurious claims of one party. While Mr. Jones may pass on this issue, I remain committed to seeing a fair and equitable solution to the closure of FR 89. If, in the interests of public safety, that means closing down an entire network of historic forest roads, then such must be the case. The alternative is to wait for injury, property damage or a possible fatality to occur. That is simply not acceptable to any responsible offroad enthusiast.
Bill Dougan
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49869 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:55am
Subject: [TR] Group Lunch - Friday, April 12, 2002
Hello All,
Mike Baney is leading a Group Lunch trail run on Friday, April 12, 2002.
When: 12:00, High Noon!
Where: CHUY'S, 1831 E Baseline Rd
On the south side of Baseline Rd between McClintock Dr and the 101
Rating: 2.0-
Length: 1+ hours
CB Channel:
Chuy's is a comfortable, fun, friendly place offering breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Open at 8AM everyday serving mesquite broiled chicken, tri-tip beef, and seafood. Everything from burritos to burgers, salads to sandwiches, and even a kids menu!
****Last week was great, tons of parking, lots of seating, and great food.****
A weekly lunch meeting so members can meet new members, BS about thier Jeeps, and just have a fun lunch.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
49870 From: Ruben Aviles <raviles@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:10am
Subject: JKS QD's
I have these installed on my TJ and I too have 31" tires. They are a piece
of cake to install and I love them. I have 2" spacers and a 1" body lift.
Every little bit helps and I haven't had any trouble with them.
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Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Digest Number 2053
> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RE: Re: 37" MTR's (pic)
> From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
> 2. Red 'Got Rocks' shirt @4Wheelers
> From: JEEPER401@a...
> 3. Re: [OT] A View from Space
> From: "Mike Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...>
> 4. Spunkball
> From: "R.J. Baynum" <cyberphoenix@q...>
> 5. I'm looking for RE adj control arms
> From: "wind_danzer" <Wind_Danzer@h...>
> 6. Re: Test
> From: "ebnhils" <ebnhils@e...>
> 7. HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR A RADIATOR
> From: "RICK BEER" <RIKNAZ@M...>
> 8. Re: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
> From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
> 9. Re: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
> From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
> 10. Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
> From: "blue97tj" <rv6a@m...>
> 11. Re: Test
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> 12. Re: TEST
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> 13. Re: BLM Land Use Meeting - Endangered Weed??
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> 14. Re: We're at 41 signed up... almost half way to the goal of 100
> From: "Halverson" <byrnec@q...>
> 15. Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
> From: "blue97tj" <rv6a@m...>
> 16. Re: Test
> From: "Halverson" <byrnec@q...>
> 17. RE: Test
> From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> 18. RE: We're at 41 signed up... almost half way to the goal of 100
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> 19. Re: Re: Test
> From: hunteroffroad@a...
> 20. Re: Mobil 1 info
> From: "thewickers" <thewickers@y...>
> 21. Re: BLM Land Use Meeting - Endangered Weed??
> From: hunteroffroad@a...
> 22. Anybody use JKS Quicker Disconnects?
> From: "chucktarvin" <chucktarvin@y...>
> 23. [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Saturday, April 13, 2002
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> 24. Re: Spunkball
> From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> 25. Re: Red 'Got Rocks' shirt @4Wheelers
> From: "dionbozman" <amstaff@e...>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:46:45 -0700
> From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
> Subject: RE: Re: 37" MTR's (pic)
>
> Scott,
>
> Jealousy can drive jeeper's crazy...can't it? Nice tires BTW.
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:15 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37" MTR's (pic)
>
>
> Okay, Yes I have 297 shafts yes I carry spare joints and yes I carry
> spare axles and yes I have AAA just in case. That being said, I will
> run this thing till it breaks and let you all know. I dont see the
> R&P as a problem because the u-joints will go first. I do run the
> harder trails but I don't have a heavy right foot. If it becomes a
> problem I will junk it but Not for a 44 cuz that is not worth it
> imho, cuz you have the same weak spot. As for the brakes, I have an
> 8.8 with discs in the rear and I can stop just fine.
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > I agree with Stu. I swapped in a front Dana 44 before I was
> willing to go
> > to 35" tire. That's just me. One thing you might want to
> consider, though,
> > is brakes. The larger tires are more difficult to stop. I
> couldn't tell
> > you whether or not your Dana 30 discs will be adequate for stopping
> 37"
> > tires as I've never run that combination. But I do know that the
> bigger
> > brakes that are on my Dana 44 are definitely adequate for my 35"
> tires.
> > Just something to pay attention to the next few times you go
> wheeling.
> >
> > By the way, high-pinion Dana 44's can be had - they come out of Ford
> > trucks but need to be shortened to fit a YJ.
> >
> > By the way, I don't think I agree with the info that Scott's heard
> which
> > indicates that the reverse cut Dana 30 R&P are only slightly weaker
> than
> > those of a standard cut Dana 44. If you lay the two gear sets side
> by side,
> > you'll see there's a significant difference in size. The reverse
> cut Dana 30
> > gears are stronger than the standard cut Dana 30 gears but I feel
> they're
> > significantly weaker than the Dana 44 gears. However, you'll
> probably be ok.
> > I have a friend who's been running 37" tires on his TJ Dana 30 for
> quite a
> > while without any problems and TJ's only have standard cut Dana 30s.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Stu Olson wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > In my opinion, 35" tires on a D30 are at the end of the practical
> limit. A
> > > Warn kit on a D30 with alloy shafts (inners too) make 35" tires
> and serious
> > > driving a doable combination. I've lived with stock shafts and
> 35" tires on
> > > mine but I don't romp on it as hard as some folks do.
> > >
> > > If I were going to 37" tires, I would be looking at a bigger
> front axle....
> > > a D44 perhaps (do those come in high pinion?). I believe that
> the D30 with
> > > 37" tires is simply too much.
> > >
> > > Again...this is my opinion and I'm certainly not telling others
> they are
> > > wrong for doing something different. If I were considering it,
> that is the
> > > path I would take.
> > >
> > > Timber Chucker!
> > >
> > > Stu Olson
> > > www.stu-offroad.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert Holmes [mailto:flamable_liquid@h...]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:53 PM
> > > To: bermboy@h...
> > > Cc: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: 37" MTR's (pic)
> > >
> > > I know this is probably a stupid question but what would you do
> to a Dana 30
> > > to run those tires if it was stock.
> > >
> > > IE. Im planning on puting those tires on my scrambler when I get
> the money
> > > for it, However I have a stock Dana 30 in the front which im
> planning on
> > > trussing and welding.
> > >
> > > Any problems here.
> > >
> > > Scott what is your setup as far as front axel mods?
> > >
> > > >From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
> > > >To: az_vjc@y...
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37" MTR's (pic)
> > > >Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 02:31:34 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Nah, the way I figure it I will probably bust a u-joint and axle
> or
> > > >three but I shouldn't have too many problemsI know people
> running
> > > >38" Boggers on a standard cut 44 with little problems and from
> what
> > > >Ive heard the rev cut 30 gears are just a little weaker than
> those
> > > >and I have the same u-joints so.... anyway If it poses to big a
> > > >problem I will junk it, I will update in a couple months. and no
> I
> > > >wouldnt run these on a dana 35.
> > > >
> > > >Thanks for the comments.
> > > >
> > > >Scott Maiden
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:47:11 EDT
> From: JEEPER401@a...
> Subject: Red 'Got Rocks' shirt @4Wheelers
>
> I just wanted to thank everyone who DID NOT go to 4wheelers today to get a
> red shirt.I stopped in about 4:45 today and there was a shirt hanging
behind
> the counter. Apparently they found one in the back room and I was able to
get
> it.So I will be seeing you all Monday in my new shirt. Thanks again.
> Steve Ruppert
> 76 CJ5
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:48:07 -0700
> From: "Mike Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...>
> Subject: Re: [OT] A View from Space
>
> that's not off topic.
>
> Mike Wixom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc][OT] A View from Space
>
>
> > Thats very off topic, but here's my favorite view from space photo. (its
> > very tiny in filesize)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "R.J. Baynum" <cyberphoenix@q...>
> > To: <BackpackingLight@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:07 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] A View from Space
> >
> >
> > > FW: A View from Space
> > >
> > > R.J.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here is a cool pic from an e-mail I received. Its really cool.
> > >
> > > I found this fascinating and knowing that many of you have
kids,
> so
> > I
> > > thought I'd pass it along to you. The photo
> > > is absolutely stunning. The image is a panoramic view of the
world
> > from the
> > > new space station. It is a night
> > > photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas.
You
> > can scroll
> > > East-West and North-South. Note
> > > that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the US
> border.
> > Moving
> > > east to Europe, there is a high
> > > population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's
easy
> to
> > spot
> > > London, Paris, Stockholm and
> > > Vienna. Check out the development of Israel compared to the rest
> of
> > the Arab
> > > countries. Note the Nile River and
> > > the rest of the "Dark Continent." After the Nile, the lights
don't
> > come on
> > > again until Johannesburg. Look at the
> > > Australian Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving
east,
> > the most
> > > striking observation is the
> > > difference between North and South Korea. Note the density of
> Japan.
> > What a
> > > piece of photography. It is an
> > > absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing
> built
> > Space
> > > Station last November on a perfect
> > > night with no obscuring atmospheric conditions.
> > >
> > > Click here:
> > > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...s_dmsp_big.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:50:14 -0500
> From: "R.J. Baynum" <cyberphoenix@q...>
> Subject: Spunkball
>
> forwarded..good to know.. just in case..
> R.J.
>
>
>
> Spunkball
> Very Important
> Heard anything about this?
> Please keep all windows rolled up when stopped at traffic lights, as
> only cars with windows down are being targeted. Groups of teenagers have
> been caught, in alarming numbers, playing a new and dangerous game
> called Spunkball. !
> Spunkball consists of a group of teens in a car pulling up to a
> stoplight, and looking around for a car stopped near by with an open
> window. When one is spotted, the teens shout, "Spunkball", and throw a
> gasoline soaked rag that has been wrapped in aluminum foil through the
> open window.
> On the outside of the foil attached a small fire*******, with the fuse
> lit.
> When the fire******* explodes, it shreds the foil, and the rag is
> ignited, causing a large flame that may catch the interior of the car on
> fire.
> Spunkball playing has already claimed two lives, caused uncountable
> injuries
> due to burns, and caused thousands of dollars in damage to automobiles.
> The best defense, say authorities, is to keep all windows rolled up when
> stopped at traffic lights, as only cars with windows down are being
> targeted.
> If you are at a red light and hear a shout of "Spunkball", and notice
> something come flying in your window, the best thing to do is to have
> all passengers immediately exit the vehicle.DO NOT try to retrieve the
> object, as
> it will ignite once the fire******* explodes.
> PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU CARE ABOUT.
> Bea Maggio, FCLS
> Allstate Insurance Co
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:05:29 -0000
> From: "wind_danzer" <Wind_Danzer@h...>
> Subject: I'm looking for RE adj control arms
>
> I'm more interested in the rear uppers but wouldn't mind a whole set
> of 8. They need to able to be used for the 3.5 or 4.5 Superflex
> kit. Please feel free to e-mail me if you have them lying around
> collecting dust.
>
> Thanks!!
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:16:29 -0700
> From: "ebnhils" <ebnhils@e...>
> Subject: Re: Test
>
> You know some times I don't have time for this kinda crap and other times
> it's just funny to see you all you go at it. Anyone want to go jeep and
> drive!
>
> Eben
>
> No more Jeep so need to have fun with the computer.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 5:50 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> > The following is a test of the emergency Test system... this is only a
> test.
> > For the following sixty seconds, we will be testing the emergency test
> test
> > system.
> >
> > "Testing one two three... Testing one two three... Testing one two
> three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three... Testing one two
three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three... Testing one two
three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three... Testing one two
three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three... Testing one two
three...
> > Testing one two three... Testing one two three..."
> >
> > This concludes our testing of the Emergency Test Test system. In the
event
> > of a real post, you would have been directed to view the subject line
> which
> > would read something other than "Test".
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:24:41 -0700
> From: "RICK BEER" <RIKNAZ@M...>
> Subject: HOW MUCH DO WE PAY FOR A RADIATOR
>
> Yesterday I was approached by rep. from performance radiator just dropping
off some flyers & a business card.. today he called me back about some
tires for his own personal truck while we were installing his new shoes i
asked him how much of a savings can we get he replyied anywhere from
149.00 to 169.00 for both 2&3 core rads. & if i get orders for 10 or more
the price gets better approx 10.00 off each Iam not sure what these
radiators cost or if this is a good deal but Iam nursing my radiator along
soon to be replaced this summer .
>
>
>
> THANKS RICK BEERGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download :
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:32:33 -0700
> From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
>
> I use OS/2 on my home system, no email virus worries at all.
>
>
> Ralph
>
>
> Joe West wrote:
> >
> > UNIX is indeed as good as operating systems get... Windows... Sheesh...
what
> > garbage.
> >
> > > at work!! Ah, UNIX is great. )
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:33:34 -0700
> From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
>
> At least both apples and oranges are edible.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> Roger Tomas wrote:
> >
> > Windows is a "personal use" operating system. It doesn't provide
capabilities
> > like multiprocessing that are necessary for large-scale applications.
But then,
> > it wasn't intended to. Comparing Windows and Unix is comparing apples
and
> > oranges, IMO.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Joe West wrote:
> > >
> > > UNIX is indeed as good as operating systems get... Windows...
Sheesh... what
> > > garbage.
> > >
> > > > at work!! Ah, UNIX is great. )
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:41:12 -0000
> From: "blue97tj" <rv6a@m...>
> Subject: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
>
> What's really cool is the number of Linux and Unix users that
> come in to our store (yes, I work for Apple) and play with OS X
> and then drop down to a terminal window. They all just kinda get
> a smile on their face and mutter how cool it is. They get the ease
> of use of the Mac with Unix options. Best of both worlds.
>
> Chris
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > This may be true. I had an opportunity to use it and liked it,
> though
> > not as much as windows. It is still way better than Linux or
> windows in
> > as a whole package.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:13 PM
> > To: David R. W. Withers
> > Cc: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to
> BBS Format?
> >
> >
> > What? OS X has a Windows-like feel? Horse****! That's
> backwards.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > "David R. W. Withers" wrote:
> > >
> > > If UNIX had a front end as simple and visually appealing as
> windows,
> > > no one would use windows. I think OS X might be the new
> happy
> > > medium. It is a UNIX based OS with a more windows like
> feel. You can
> >
> > > run both windows apps and UNIX apps (UNIX apps, is that
> an oxymoron).
> >
> > > Plus the G4 processor blows away a sun or Intel based
> processor.
> > > I still will use a Microsoft based workstation, and will not
> > > switch any time soon.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:47 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to
> BBS
> > > Format?
> > >
> > > Windows is a "personal use" operating system. It doesn't
> provide
> > > capabilities like multiprocessing that are necessary for
> large-scale
> > > applications. But then, it wasn't intended to. Comparing
> Windows and
> >
> > > Unix is comparing apples and oranges, IMO.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > Joe West wrote:
> > > >
> > > > UNIX is indeed as good as operating systems get...
> Windows...
> > > > Sheesh... what garbage.
> > > >
> > > > > at work!! Ah, UNIX is great. )
> > >
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:50:40 -0700
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: Re: Test
>
> MessageSheesh, David, If you still haven't settled down, and the
Thorazine isn't working, maybe YOU should try Tequila!
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Withers
> To: 'Bill Mish' ; joew@a... ; 'robert mcneeley' ; 'Robert
McNeeley' ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Bill, why do I feel as if you're my comic book arch villain, or in this
case hero.
>
> Are you the defender of "test" e-mails?
>
> Can you get rid of this stupid background as well, thanks.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:28 PM
> To: joew@a...; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; David R. W. Withers
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Well, If you knew what it meant, why are you *****ing about it?
> As far as testing with real data, I propose we insult David with all
test messages now.
> BIG GRIN for the tightly wound guy!!
>
>
> In other words, Joe has a point.
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David R. W. Withers
> To: joew@a... ; 'robert mcneeley' ; 'Robert McNeeley' ;
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Joe,
> I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant, smart ***. I just don't
see why we have to see so many of these. Why not test with real data?!
> David R. W. Withers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> To: 'robert mcneeley'; 'David R. W. Withers'; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Robert,
>
> You're fine. No one... and I mean NO ONE needs to be told not to
open a test file. When you see TEST in a subject line... you know it is a
TEST file.
> Don't change anything and don't put [OT] Test... that is just flat
ridiculous.
>
> Now that David has figured out that TEST means OFF TOPIC he'll
know to delete these in the future without complaint.
>
> Joe West
>
> PS... you are far to nice Robert... but good job!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert mcneeley [mailto:rubberside_up309@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:42 AM
> To: David R. W. Withers; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Sorry to piss you off. But I guess it would be better to be
pissed off than pissed on...
> If it has test in the subject what would the point of doing an
OT with Test??? I never open the test ones... I will stop assuming that
people would just delete a test and not open it. Once again Sorry.
> Robert aka Fat Bob
>
> "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
>
> ***!!!
> Why must we receive 3 or 4 of these every day? At least put
OT in the subject line.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> 4/10/02 9:40
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:54:26 -0700
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: Re: TEST
>
> MessageThat's the Spirit!
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: joey@d...
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:17 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TEST
>
>
> This is a test to see if David gets annoyed.... again.
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 20:56:22 -0700
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: Re: BLM Land Use Meeting - Endangered Weed??
>
> Umm, Cannabis something........
> Oops, wrong brainwave!
> Piersons' Milk Vetch is all I got.
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reid Scholes
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:18 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] BLM Land Use Meeting - Endangered Weed??
>
>
> Does anybody know the exact name of the weed (Genus species)? Is this
the main focus of the meeting? I would like to do some research on this to
see if I can prove some greenies wrong. I have a backround in horiculture,
agronomy, and botany and would love to help our club out. See ya on the
15th!
>
> Reid Scholes
> '89 YJ
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:12:26 -0700
> From: "Halverson" <byrnec@q...>
> Subject: Re: We're at 41 signed up... almost half way to the goal of 100
>
> Joe,
> Are you sure that you are keeping up with your promised two times a day
of
> ragging on people?
> Seems like you might be behind the count here.
> Maybe another couple of posts about this meeting, there might be someone
in
> Timbuktu that hasn't heard about it, and already decided to attend or not.
>
> Let's think about this.
>
> If we are trying to get people to participate, do you really think that
> annoying them with continual posts about the same thing, over and over,
will
> sway them to your way of thinking?
>
> Perhaps, the people on this list, are mature enough to make up their minds
> about this issue with a couple of gentle reminders, and then some time to
> think about it.
>
> Kindest regards.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joew@a...>
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:27 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] We're at 41 signed up... almost half way to the goal of
> 100
>
>
> > We're almost halfway to the goal of 100 azvjc red shirts for this BLM
> > meeting...
> >
> > For those of you who are already signed up... look at the list and see
if
> > you can find a close friend who isn't on the list but is a club
member...
> > then ask them to make a special effort to attend. If each person
already
> > attending can convince a friend to sign up for this meeting; we'll meet
> the
> > goal of 100 red shirted AZVJC members in attendance.
> >
> > Thanks for your help gang.
> >
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 04:05:36 -0000
> From: "blue97tj" <rv6a@m...>
> Subject: Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to BBS Format?
>
> What's really cool is the number of Linux and Unix users that
> come in to our store (yes, I work for Apple) and play with OS X
> and then drop down to a terminal window. They all just kinda get
> a smile on their face and mutter how cool it is. They get the ease
> of use of the Mac with Unix options. Best of both worlds.
>
> Chris
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > This may be true. I had an opportunity to use it and liked it,
> though
> > not as much as windows. It is still way better than Linux or
> windows in
> > as a whole package.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:13 PM
> > To: David R. W. Withers
> > Cc: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to
> BBS Format?
> >
> >
> > What? OS X has a Windows-like feel? Horse****! That's
> backwards.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > "David R. W. Withers" wrote:
> > >
> > > If UNIX had a front end as simple and visually appealing as
> windows,
> > > no one would use windows. I think OS X might be the new
> happy
> > > medium. It is a UNIX based OS with a more windows like
> feel. You can
> >
> > > run both windows apps and UNIX apps (UNIX apps, is that
> an oxymoron).
> >
> > > Plus the G4 processor blows away a sun or Intel based
> processor.
> > > I still will use a Microsoft based workstation, and will not
> > > switch any time soon.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:47 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Move to BBS Format? or Degrade to
> BBS
> > > Format?
> > >
> > > Windows is a "personal use" operating system. It doesn't
> provide
> > > capabilities like multiprocessing that are necessary for
> large-scale
> > > applications. But then, it wasn't intended to. Comparing
> Windows and
> >
> > > Unix is comparing apples and oranges, IMO.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > Joe West wrote:
> > > >
> > > > UNIX is indeed as good as operating systems get...
> Windows...
> > > > Sheesh... what garbage.
> > > >
> > > > > at work!! Ah, UNIX is great. )
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:22:12 -0700
> From: "Halverson" <byrnec@q...>
> Subject: Re: Test
>
> MessageDavid,
> When the partial list of categories came up a couple of days ago, your
name leaped to mind about the one for most annoying without any prompting.
Sorry but true.;>)
> See you on the dust bunnies run.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Withers
> To: joew@a...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> should I have put a grin to make it less personal.
> when do I get my award for most annoying member?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:45 PM
> To: 'David R. W. Withers'; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> David,
>
> ASCII characters ARE *real* data. I'm not making this personal
here... please try to keep your responses similar.
>
> Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David R. W. Withers [mailto:dr_ww@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:50 PM
> To: joew@a...; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Joe,
> I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant, smart ***. I just don't
see why we have to see so many of these. Why not test with real data?!
> David R. W. Withers
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> To: 'robert mcneeley'; 'David R. W. Withers'; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Robert,
>
> You're fine. No one... and I mean NO ONE needs to be told not to
open a test file. When you see TEST in a subject line... you know it is a
TEST file.
> Don't change anything and don't put [OT] Test... that is just flat
ridiculous.
>
> Now that David has figured out that TEST means OFF TOPIC he'll
know to delete these in the future without complaint.
>
> Joe West
>
> PS... you are far to nice Robert... but good job!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert mcneeley [mailto:rubberside_up309@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:42 AM
> To: David R. W. Withers; 'Robert McNeeley';
az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Sorry to piss you off. But I guess it would be better to be
pissed off than pissed on...
> If it has test in the subject what would the point of doing an
OT with Test??? I never open the test ones... I will stop assuming that
people would just delete a test and not open it. Once again Sorry.
> Robert aka Fat Bob
>
> "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
>
> ***!!!
> Why must we receive 3 or 4 of these every day? At least put
OT in the subject line.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Test
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:51:37 -0700
> From: "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...>
> Subject: RE: Test
>
> Yeah but we still love him.....
>
> LOL
>
> SK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@q...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:22 PM
> To: David Withers; joew@a...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> David,
> When the partial list of categories came up a couple of days ago, your
> name leaped to mind about the one for most annoying without any
> prompting. Sorry but true.;>)
> See you on the dust bunnies run.
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Withers <mailto:dr_ww@h...>
> To: joew@a...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
> should I have put a grin to make it less personal.
> when do I get my award for most annoying member?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:45 PM
> To: 'David R. W. Withers'; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley';
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> David,
>
> ASCII characters ARE *real* data. I'm not making this personal here...
> please try to keep your responses similar.
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David R. W. Withers [mailto:dr_ww@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:50 PM
> To: joew@a...; 'robert mcneeley'; 'Robert McNeeley';
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Joe,
> I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant, smart ***. I just don't see
> why we have to see so many of these. Why not test with real data?!
> David R. W. Withers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> To: 'robert mcneeley'; 'David R. W. Withers'; 'Robert McNeeley';
> az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Robert,
>
> You're fine. No one... and I mean NO ONE needs to be told not to open a
> test file. When you see TEST in a subject line... you know it is a TEST
> file.
> Don't change anything and don't put [OT] Test... that is just flat
> ridiculous.
>
> Now that David has figured out that TEST means OFF TOPIC he'll know to
> delete these in the future without complaint.
>
> Joe West
>
> PS... you are far to nice Robert... but good job!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert mcneeley [mailto:rubberside_up309@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:42 AM
> To: David R. W. Withers; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
>
>
> Sorry to piss you off. But I guess it would be better to be pissed off
> than pissed on...
> If it has test in the subject what would the point of doing an OT with
> Test??? I never open the test ones... I will stop assuming that people
> would just delete a test and not open it. Once again Sorry.
> Robert aka Fat Bob
>
>
> "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
>
>
> ***!!!
> Why must we receive 3 or 4 of these every day? At least put OT in the
> subject line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Test
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> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 22:02:24 -0700
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
> Subject: RE: We're at 41 signed up... almost half way to the goal of 100
>
> John,
>
> Which is exactly why I started with Raffling off Scott's Jeep...
> At lease I can make people smile while I rag on them.
> <grin>
>
> But you raise good points... maybe I'll only rag on them once a day...
> I promise; I'll keep it light hearted...
>
> Kind Regards,
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:07:17 EDT
> From: hunteroffroad@a...
> Subject: Re: Re: Test
>
> Ah rookie mistake, its ok, we all do it. LOL <grin>
>
>
> John K..
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> Just giggilin away
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:09:26 -0000
> From: "thewickers" <thewickers@y...>
> Subject: Re: Mobil 1 info
>
> After having used Mobil 1 in every vehicle I have ever owned.
> Including two used vehicles both with more than 28000 miles on them
> when I purchased them, I have to disagree with the idea one should
> not switch to synthetic after a certain milage is reached. With
> todays longer running engines, and better seal technology, I find it
> hard to beleive that switching to synthetic would create leaks or
> cause leaks that were not present before hand. My pride and joy is a
> 93 Nissan Sentra with 203,000 miles on it. Yes it has a leak
> (transmission) and yes it did leak oil once ( main seal) which I
> fixed at the 160,000 mile mark. I have used Synthetic (Mobil 1) this
> vehicle from the day I bought it. I had a Camaro which I bought used
> with 65,000 miles on it and switched to Mobil 1 immedately and sold
> it running, no leaks with 140,000 miles on it. Synthetics run
> cooler, lubricate better, and do not break down as quickly. Yes they
> cost more, but you can go 7000 miles or more (i go longer) between
> oil changes. In fact Land Rover has a sticker in the engine
> compartment that states to only use synthetic oil and I think their
> changing interval is 8000 miles. Just my .02 cents and as always I
> could be wrong
>
> Alan
> 94YJ SOA etc...
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:14:45 EDT
> From: hunteroffroad@a...
> Subject: Re: BLM Land Use Meeting - Endangered Weed??
>
> Hit up some of the ASA (American Sand Asc, ) I bet somewhere on of the
web
> pages they have it, I guess I would just run a search, I dont know of any
> offhand. Also, try calling Sand Limo in tempe, they might know alot about
it
> . They follow the Dunes very Closely
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:14:36 -0000
> From: "chucktarvin" <chucktarvin@y...>
> Subject: Anybody use JKS Quicker Disconnects?
>
> I'd like to start adding some capability to my TJ which is stock
> except for the 31" tires. I am looking at the JKS Quicker Disconnects
> for a TJ with 0" to 2" lift. Has anybody installed a set of these? Do
> you like them? Any problems like rattling?
>
> I added front and rear tow hooks and bought a fire extinguisher. Any
> recommendations for a reasonably priced tow strap? Should I get 20' or
> 30'?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:18:00 (GMT)
> From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
> Subject: [TR] Lake Pleasant to Crown King - Saturday, April 13, 2002
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 21:58:58 -0700
> From: "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...>
> Subject: Re: Spunkball
>
> And people ask me why I carry a gun...
>
>
>
> > forwarded..good to know.. just in case..
> > R.J.
> >
> >
> >
> > Spunkball
> > Very Important
> > Heard anything about this?
> > Please keep all windows rolled up when stopped at traffic lights, as
> > only cars with windows down are being targeted. Groups of teenagers have
> > been caught, in alarming numbers, playing a new and dangerous game
> > called Spunkball. !
> > Spunkball consists of a group of teens in a car pulling up to a
> > stoplight, and looking around for a car stopped near by with an open
> > window. When one is spotted, the teens shout, "Spunkball", and throw a
> > gasoline soaked rag that has been wrapped in aluminum foil through the
> > open window.
> > On the outside of the foil attached a small fire*******, with the fuse
> > lit.
> > When the fire******* explodes, it shreds the foil, and the rag is
> > ignited, causing a large flame that may catch the interior of the car on
> > fire.
> > Spunkball playing has already claimed two lives, caused uncountable
> > injuries
> > due to burns, and caused thousands of dollars in damage to automobiles.
> > The best defense, say authorities, is to keep all windows rolled up when
> > stopped at traffic lights, as only cars with windows down are being
> > targeted.
> > If you are at a red light and hear a shout of "Spunkball", and notice
> > something come flying in your window, the best thing to do is to have
> > all passengers immediately exit the vehicle.DO NOT try to retrieve the
> > object, as
> > it will ignite once the fire******* explodes.
> > PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU CARE ABOUT.
> > Bea Maggio, FCLS
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> >
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> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 05:30:03 -0000
> From: "dionbozman" <amstaff@e...>
> Subject: Re: Red 'Got Rocks' shirt @4Wheelers
>
> Was it the one hanging on a clothes hanger? If so, I accidentally
> dropped it on the floor in a puddle of gear oil. Guess you didn't
> notice ... LOL, just kidding, man. I was in earlier and got the next
> to last one!
> Dion
> 94 SOA YJ
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., JEEPER401@a... wrote:
> > I just wanted to thank everyone who DID NOT go to 4wheelers today to
> get a
> > red shirt.I stopped in about 4:45 today and there was a shirt
> hanging behind
> > the counter. Apparently they found one in the back room and I was
> able to get
> > it.So I will be seeing you all Monday in my new shirt. Thanks again.
> > Steve Ruppert
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49871 From: David R. W. Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:12am
Subject: RE: Re: Test
I am married and she is on the list, so there is no hope. Just give me
my freaking award for most annoying member and I'll turn into one of the
other lurking west siders
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:38 PM
To: 'my1stjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Test
ROTFLMFAO...
Very good Chris... VERY good!
I wonder if we can get David Married... then he'll calm down like Scott
did. Remember when Scott used to be wrapped so tight you could rattle
his cage by just misspelling a word. <grin>
Hi Scotty!!!
Hi David!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: my1stjeep [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Test
>
>
> I guess from now on when they hook up microphones they should say
> something real instead of Testing, Testing, Testing 1, 2, Testing.
>
> Chris
> "AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > MessageWell, If you knew what it meant, why are you *****ing about
> it?
> > As far as testing with real data, I propose we insult David with
> all test messages now.
> > BIG GRIN for the tightly wound guy!!
> >
> >
> > In other words, Joe has a point.
> >
> > Bill Mish
> > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David R. W. Withers
> > To: joew@a... ; 'robert mcneeley' ; 'Robert McNeeley' ;
> az_vjc@y...
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:49 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
> >
> >
> > Joe,
> > I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant, smart ***. I just
> don't see why we have to see so many of these. Why not test with real
> data?!
> > David R. W. Withers
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> > To: 'robert mcneeley'; 'David R. W. Withers'; 'Robert
> McNeeley'; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
> >
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > You're fine. No one... and I mean NO ONE needs to be told not
> to open a test file. When you see TEST in a subject line... you know
> it is a TEST file.
> > Don't change anything and don't put [OT] Test... that is just
> flat ridiculous.
> >
> > Now that David has figured out that TEST means OFF TOPIC he'll
> know to delete these in the future without complaint.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > PS... you are far to nice Robert... but good job!
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: robert mcneeley [mailto:rubberside_up309@y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:42 AM
> > To: David R. W. Withers; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
> >
> >
> > Sorry to piss you off. But I guess it would be better to be
> pissed off than pissed on...
> > If it has test in the subject what would the point of doing
> an OT with Test??? I never open the test ones... I will stop assuming
> that people would just delete a test and not open it. Once again
> Sorry.
> > Robert aka Fat Bob
> >
> > "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> >
> > ***!!!
> > Why must we receive 3 or 4 of these every day? At least
> put OT in the subject line.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Test
> >
> >
> > 4/10/02 9:40
> >
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49872 From: Joe West <joew@a...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:19am
Subject: RE: Re: Test
Most annoying member award is a very special one... you get a free lowering
kit, low rider tires and wheels, and fluorescent lighting for the underside
of your Jeep.
Make sure you come to the BBQ and we'll hook you up with your "reward"
<grin>
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David R. W. Withers [mailto:dr_ww@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: joew@a...; 'my1stjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Test
>
>
> I am married and she is on the list, so there is no hope.
> Just give me
> my freaking award for most annoying member and I'll turn into
> one of the
> other lurking west siders
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:38 PM
> To: 'my1stjeep'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Test
>
>
> ROTFLMFAO...
>
> Very good Chris... VERY good!
>
> I wonder if we can get David Married... then he'll calm down
> like Scott
> did. Remember when Scott used to be wrapped so tight you could rattle
> his cage by just misspelling a word. <grin>
>
> Hi Scotty!!!
>
> Hi David!!!
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: my1stjeep [mailto:my1stjeep@e...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:34 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Test
> >
> >
> > I guess from now on when they hook up microphones they should say
> > something real instead of Testing, Testing, Testing 1, 2, Testing.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> "AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > > MessageWell, If you knew what it meant, why are you *****ing about
> > it?
> > > As far as testing with real data, I propose we insult David with
> > all test messages now.
> > > BIG GRIN for the tightly wound guy!!
> > >
> > >
> > > In other words, Joe has a point.
> > >
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: David R. W. Withers
> > > To: joew@a... ; 'robert mcneeley' ; 'Robert McNeeley' ;
> > az_vjc@y...
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:49 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > > I'm pretty sure I understood what it meant, smart ***. I just
> > don't see why we have to see so many of these. Why not
> test with real
>
> > data?!
> > > David R. W. Withers
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe West [mailto:joew@a...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:31 PM
> > > To: 'robert mcneeley'; 'David R. W. Withers'; 'Robert
> > McNeeley'; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > You're fine. No one... and I mean NO ONE needs to be told not
> > to open a test file. When you see TEST in a subject
> line... you know
> > it is a TEST file.
> > > Don't change anything and don't put [OT] Test... that is just
> > flat ridiculous.
> > >
> > > Now that David has figured out that TEST means OFF TOPIC he'll
> > know to delete these in the future without complaint.
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > > PS... you are far to nice Robert... but good job!
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: robert mcneeley [mailto:rubberside_up309@y...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:42 AM
> > > To: David R. W. Withers; 'Robert McNeeley'; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Test
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry to piss you off. But I guess it would be better to be
> > pissed off than pissed on...
> > > If it has test in the subject what would the point of doing
> > an OT with Test??? I never open the test ones... I will
> stop assuming
> > that people would just delete a test and not open it. Once again
> > Sorry.
> > > Robert aka Fat Bob
> > >
> > > "David R. W. Withers" <dr_ww@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > ***!!!
> > > Why must we receive 3 or 4 of these every day? At least
> > put OT in the subject line.
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:41 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Test
> > >
> > >
> > > 4/10/02 9:40
> > >
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49873 From: tom le <tomle_85024@y...>
Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:55am
Subject: Re: Best 4:1conversion kit for an NP231?
I got mine at Tera for about $950 and this is worth every penies of it and not to mention you can install yourself. It sures out performance the stock t/c any day. Tom
Roger Tomas wrote:
As far as I know, that company fell by the way-side. The Tera kit is the
only choice these days. Expect to pay around $900 for it.
-Roger
Chris Krieg wrote:
>
> Is that company still around? I had heard they are not. That article was
> from 1996. They also listed the price as $1349. Ouch.
>
> Chris K
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 10:11 PM, FredTJ wrote:
>
> > Actually 4 to 1 Manufacturing makes one also, and it's a 6 plantary
> > gear
> > kit. Besides the 231, they also make a 4:1 kit for the 241, 242, and 249
> > xfer cases.
> >
> >
> > http://www.4x4now.com/4to1.htm
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "DougB"
> > To: ; "highjeeps"
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Best 4:1conversion kit for an NP231?
> >
> >
> >> Tera's the only one that I know of. I know of a number of people that
> >> run
> > it
> >> and like it very much.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "highjeeps"
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:52 PM
> >> Subject: [az_vjc] Best 4:1conversion kit for an NP231?
> >>
> >>
> >>> What are your opinions on what is the best low conversion kit for an
> >>> NP231 Tcase and a rough cost, if you know.
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Larry
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