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45991 From: Neal Han**** <azredrocker@y...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:12pm
Subject: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. It’s not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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45992 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: (FS) Bumpers, hitch, and nerf bars
One more try!!!
These were all taken off my 79 CJ5. They are in fair condition. The front bumper was shortened, I will help you shorten the back bumper if you want to!!! All mounting hardware included.
$200
After 2 weeks I will seel it on Ebay..
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
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45993 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. It’s not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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45994 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:25pm
Subject: Re: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I'll be going.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Mish
To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. It’s not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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45995 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:22pm
Subject: RE: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I am going
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
To: az vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. It's not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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45996 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:32pm
Subject: Re: (FS) Bumpers, hitch, and nerf bars
Where's Mike Chatfield when you need him!!
Word to the wise, if you want to post your stuff for sale, do it after Mike goes to bed..... Which seems to be around 8:00 PM!!
OK, For what it's worth, I think Mike set up an area on the web for selling your stuff. I personally haven't tried it yet, but I'm thinking it may send a notice to the group... I could be wrong tho'!!
It's been known to happen, Just ask Kim! (Hi Kim, I know you are reading this!) I'm suchanass!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Passmore
To: AZVJC
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] (FS) Bumpers, hitch, and nerf bars
One more try!!!
These were all taken off my 79 CJ5. They are in fair condition. The front bumper was shortened, I will help you shorten the back bumper if you want to!!! All mounting hardware included.
$200
After 2 weeks I will seel it on Ebay..
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
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45997 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:38pm
Subject: Re: (FS) Bumpers, hitch, and nerf bars
Where's Mike Chatfield when you need him!!
Word to the wise, if you want to post your stuff for sale, do it after Mike goes to bed..... Which seems to be around 8:00 PM!!
OK, For what it's worth, I think Mike set up an area on the web for selling your stuff. I personally haven't tried it yet, but I'm thinking it may send a notice to the group... I could be wrong tho'!!
It's been known to happen, Just ask Kim! (Hi Kim, I know you are reading this!) I'm suchanass!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Shawn Passmore
To: AZVJC
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] (FS) Bumpers, hitch, and nerf bars
One more try!!!
These were all taken off my 79 CJ5. They are in fair condition. The front bumper was shortened, I will help you shorten the back bumper if you want to!!! All mounting hardware included.
$200
After 2 weeks I will seel it on Ebay..
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
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45998 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:40pm
Subject: Re: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Kinda figured on you, Stu Olson and perhaps even Joe West. Scott Kruize has been quiet lately. GOD BLESS that woman of his!!!!!!!!
(JK Scott)
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB
To: az vjc ; Bill Mish
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I'll be going.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Mish
To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. It’s not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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45999 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 4:40pm
Subject: Re: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Im there. If as many people show up with the same fire they display here, we should have a very large 4wheelin crowd.
I hope the club turns out. We may not have to be organised, but this is the time we need to get together to insure that we can still continue wheel they we like too. And this is EXACTLY when numbers matter. The last meeting I went to, the greenies where there, handing out stickers and borchures, unless you had a red shirt on, they dont like to talk to you then....... Go RED!
John K
46000 From: David Withers <dr_ww@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 9:49pm
Subject: RE: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
wow bill, stirring things up again with a shot like that.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:41 PM
To: az vjc; DougB
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Kinda figured on you, Stu Olson and perhaps even Joe West. Scott Kruize has been quiet lately. GOD BLESS that woman of his!!!!!!!!
(JK Scott)
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB
To: az vjc ; Bill Mish
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I'll be going.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Mish
To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. Its not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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46001 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: RE: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Count me in, and a bunch of the Arizona Rough Riders as well.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
To: az vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. Its not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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46002 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:41pm
Subject: Re: My speedo gear
It might
> From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:31:57 -0700
> To: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>, "Azvjc E-mail" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] My speedo gear
>
> would it be different if it were white wheels?
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:17 PM
> To: Azvjc E-mail
> Subject: [az_vjc] My speedo gear
>
>
> Mine is a 34 for all that wanted it. 35s w/ 4.10s and black wheels
>
> Chris K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
46003 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: My speedo gear
You haven't been to Georgia lately, have you?
> Hard to imagine that one tooth would make that much difference.
>
> Les
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
>> Mine is a 34 for all that wanted it. 35s w/ 4.10s and black wheels
>>
>> Chris K
>
>
>
>
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46004 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 10:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your results to this post!
And you think I actually told you the correct gear tooth count?
:-)
Chris K
> From: "WILLIAM ROACH" <lespaparoach@e...>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:08:45 -0700
> To: "'Chris Krieg'" <rv6a@m...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your
> results to this post!
>
> Wouldn't that make him Smurfette?
>
> Les Roach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 7:51 PM
> To: paparoach85251
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your
> results to this post!
>
> OK OK, tomorrow I'll pull it.
>
> BTW - Papa Smurf goes blonde on Wednesday.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 06:18 PM, paparoach85251 wrote:
>
>> Lachlan,
>> Sounds like you are in the same boat as me. We just need Chris K to
>> hurry up and pull his speedo gear so we know what the correct tooth
>> count is.
>> Come on Papa Smurf, get to work.<grin>
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
>>> I have stock 4.10s with 35" MT/Rs, and my speedometer is only
>> off
>>> by like 80mph or so... ok, maybe 75.
>>>
>>> Ha ha ha ha ha
>>>
>>> Lachlan
>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:34 AM
>>>>>> To: az_vjc@y...
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect -
>> Please
>>>> add
>>>>> your
>>>>>> results to this post!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tjsr4rOcks 3.73/35" 33
>>> tooth
>>>>>> Scott Kruize 4.56/35" GY MTR 37 tooth
>>>>>> Stu Olson 4.56/35" GY MTR 37 tooth
>>>>>> Jake Wagner 4.10/31" GY MTR 37 tooth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, lets try to compile a chart that Mike can put on the
>>>> website.
>>>>> I've
>>>>>> added the info I know about. All of the above have been
>>> verified
>>>> to
>>>>>> within 1 mph using a GPS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: tjsr4r0cks [mailto:dkober@g...]
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:44 AM
>>>>>> To: az_vjc@y...
>>>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les,
>>>>>> The chart may well be incorrect, as has been discussed here.
>>>>> However
>>>>>> the chart indicates 4.10 with 35" tires = 34 tooth not 33. I
>>>> used
>>>>>> this chart when I installed 33" tires and the chart indicated
>> a
>>>> 33
>>>>>> tooth gear. I'm within -0.3 MPH according to my GPS.
>> Perhaps
>>> if
>>>>>> everyone in the group could submit their results we could
>> build
>>>> the
>>>>>> first accurate chart. I'm on record as 3.73 gears + 33 tooth
>>>> gear
>>>>> +
>>>>>> 33" tires = -0.3 MPH (65 speedo, 64.7 GPS).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I installed a 33 tooth gear yesterday which according to
>> the
>>>>> charts
>>>>>>> is correct for 4.10 gears and 35 inch tires. Now it is way
>>> off.
>>>>> It
>>>>>>> said I was doing 85 on the way to work in the slow lane
>> with
>>>>> people
>>>>>>> flying by. Unfortunately I do not have a GPS to determine
>> my
>>>>> actual
>>>>>>> speed. Any ideas on how to find the correct tooth gear?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>>>>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>>
>
>
46005 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:10pm
Subject: RE: Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your results to this post!
Les and Lachlan,
If it turns out you need a 35 tooth gear (which I think it might be) you
both are in luck. I have two 35 tooth gears sitting on my shelf.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your
results to this post!
Lachlan,
Sounds like you are in the same boat as me. We just need Chris K to
hurry up and pull his speedo gear so we know what the correct tooth
count is.
Come on Papa Smurf, get to work.<grin>
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> I have stock 4.10s with 35" MT/Rs, and my speedometer is only
off
> by like 80mph or so... ok, maybe 75.
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha
>
> Lachlan
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect -
Please
> > add
> > > your
> > > > results to this post!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tjsr4rOcks 3.73/35" 33
> tooth
> > > > Scott Kruize 4.56/35" GY MTR 37 tooth
> > > > Stu Olson 4.56/35" GY MTR 37 tooth
> > > > Jake Wagner 4.10/31" GY MTR 37 tooth
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, lets try to compile a chart that Mike can put on the
> > website.
> > > I've
> > > > added the info I know about. All of the above have been
> verified
> > to
> > > > within 1 mph using a GPS.
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: tjsr4r0cks [mailto:dkober@g...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:44 AM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Les,
> > > > The chart may well be incorrect, as has been discussed here.
> > > However
> > > > the chart indicates 4.10 with 35" tires = 34 tooth not 33. I
> > used
> > > > this chart when I installed 33" tires and the chart indicated
a
> > 33
> > > > tooth gear. I'm within -0.3 MPH according to my GPS.
Perhaps
> if
> > > > everyone in the group could submit their results we could
build
> > the
> > > > first accurate chart. I'm on record as 3.73 gears + 33 tooth
> > gear
> > > +
> > > > 33" tires = -0.3 MPH (65 speedo, 64.7 GPS).
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
wrote:
> > > > > I installed a 33 tooth gear yesterday which according to
the
> > > charts
> > > > > is correct for 4.10 gears and 35 inch tires. Now it is way
> off.
> > > It
> > > > > said I was doing 85 on the way to work in the slow lane
with
> > > people
> > > > > flying by. Unfortunately I do not have a GPS to determine
my
> > > actual
> > > > > speed. Any ideas on how to find the correct tooth gear?
> > > > >
> > > > > Les
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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46006 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:16pm
Subject: RE: Please look at these tranny pictures
David,
The tranny uses GL3 gear lube and the transfercase uses ATF. If the fluid leak is green or brown its from the tranny. If it is red then it is from the transfercase.
If you are running synthetic fluid you might try switching back to dino based. Synthetic oil leaks out easier than dino.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dr_ww@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:10 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Please look at these tranny pictures
I think it is actually my tranny leaking. I just want another opinion b4 I take it to someplace to get fixed.
Is the fluid in a manual tranny and a TC the same fluid.
David
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46007 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:21pm
Subject: RE: If you are reading about Crown King, you need to read this
Bill,
Thats 2 sensible posts from you in one week. You've exceeded your 1 sensible post maximum. We'll have to take this one back until next week.
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:39 PM
To: az vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] If you are reading about Crown King, you need to read this
OK, before someone gets bent, there's a few things to consider:
1). Operating under an E-mail lag, and person posting may not be checking most current message.
2). "Appears" all the proper channels were gone thru to make the trail modification.
3). "Appears" there may be a double standard when it comes to modifying a "4.0" trail, as opposed to a 2-3 trail.
4). Quite simply, lotsa people seem to be hot over this!
As far as item number 1, the only thing that could have been done is a little more research and a little less typing when it comes to flaming or diametrically opposing the action(s) of a "suspect" club. I suspect it would be prudent to post only if you can contain or channel your emotions constructively. You will save allot of face this way........ or end up eating allot of crow.........
Item number 2 certainly the Forest Service would view this as a "road improvement" , so I see no reason for them to deny a request to "improve" the road. It would be NEARLY impossible for all users of the road to be polled as to whether it would be favorable to "Smooth" the ledge or leave it, and since the runners and the Vintage Bronco Club has been maintaining the trail, I can see the influence they could have, and rightfully so, especially since their money is going to ensuring road conditions are favorable and cleanup efforts are continued.
As for Item 3, proper channels were used. That fact alone makes this unlike any discussion in recent past for modifying a trail.
Now we settle on Item 4, and here is where those people most hurt by this action may see the benefit of belonging to an "Organized club". Fact is, unless you belong to an organized club, and can support activities that cost money and represent "real value" to government agencies, you'll be hard pressed to get them to listen to you.
Sure we do Table Mesa cleanups and Cove clean ups, but we require the agencies to put up dumpsters, trash bags etc. Our efforts do not go unnoticed for sure, but I bet someone would be listening closer if we were lifting a financial burden somewhere. Sorry, Guys and Gals, it's a fact of this world we live in. We're doing fine, but to get upset over this with no financial stake will most likely be fruitless for us.
There's nothing wrong with continuing just like we are, in fact, I'm in favor of that. But I am also in favor of feeling like when I hop on my soapbox, I know that we are well represented in the Off road community. Keep the AZVJC free, use it as a launching platform to introduce new 4 wheelers into our world of responsible 4 wheeling, and perhaps assist the newbie in finding a way to support his or her sport.
In today's world, Accountability goes as far as your last dollar spent.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
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To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: FW:
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46008 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: RE: longer break lines for TJ ???
Steve,
Those are good points. On the other hand I've replaced the front and
rear rubber hoses on my TJ with stainless lines of the correct length
and kept them protected from rubbing on the tires. There is a distinct
difference in the pedal feel with the stainless versus rubber hoses. Its
much more responsive.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 7:13 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] longer break lines for TJ ???
Uhhhh...I beg to differ. Stainless lines are really for those who know
exactly what they are getting. They break easier if they end up
limiting your travel or if they get caught on a swamper lug. I would
stick with economical rubber lines if you can. Stu's write up is a good
one... Relocating the hardline helps also.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:59 PM
To: 'stallonedev'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] longer break lines for TJ ???
Anthony,
Purchase the best stainless steel brake lines you can afford and get
them sized for the tallest lift you expect to have to avoid having to
purchase a second set. The protection offered by stainless steel lines
is superior to standard brake lines and this is not an area to scrimp
in.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stallonedev [mailto:stallonedev@y...]
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:51 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] longer break lines for TJ ???
>
>
> I am looking to buy some longer break lines for my TJ, after
> installing the 4.5in lift it seems that the break lines are too short,
> what kind should I buy, and where could I get the best price. Thanks
> Anthony. Email me at stallonedev@y...
>
>
>
>
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46009 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:32pm
Subject: RE: My speedo gear
I believe Chris is running 35" ProComp MT's on 15x8 wheels. Wheel width
and tire brand may necessitate a different speedo gear for others in the
group.
Lachlan or Les, want to come over and try a 35 tooth in yours? We can
verify it with my GPS to see how close it is. If its still off a bit the
Jeep dealer is just across the freeway from my house.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:17 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] My speedo gear
Mine is a 34 for all that wanted it. 35s w/ 4.10s and black wheels
Chris K
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46010 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:34pm
Subject: RE: Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your results to this post!
I love it!
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: paparoach85251 [mailto:lespaparoach@m...]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect - Please add your
results to this post!
So I guess we will have to rename your TJ Smurfette!!!
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> OK OK, tomorrow I'll pull it.
>
> BTW - Papa Smurf goes blonde on Wednesday.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, March 11, 2002, at 06:18 PM, paparoach85251 wrote:
>
> > Lachlan,
> > Sounds like you are in the same boat as me. We just need Chris K
to
> > hurry up and pull his speedo gear so we know what the correct
tooth
> > count is.
> > Come on Papa Smurf, get to work.<grin>
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> >> I have stock 4.10s with 35" MT/Rs, and my speedometer is only
> > off
> >> by like 80mph or so... ok, maybe 75.
> >>
> >> Ha ha ha ha ha
> >>
> >> Lachlan
> >>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@e...]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:34 AM
> >>>>> To: az_vjc@y...
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect -
> > Please
> >>> add
> >>>> your
> >>>>> results to this post!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tjsr4rOcks 3.73/35" 33
> >> tooth
> >>>>> Scott Kruize 4.56/35" GY MTR 37 tooth
> >>>>> Stu Olson 4.56/35" GY MTR 37 tooth
> >>>>> Jake Wagner 4.10/31" GY MTR 37 tooth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Okay, lets try to compile a chart that Mike can put on the
> >>> website.
> >>>> I've
> >>>>> added the info I know about. All of the above have been
> >> verified
> >>> to
> >>>>> within 1 mph using a GPS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scott K
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: tjsr4r0cks [mailto:dkober@g...]
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:44 AM
> >>>>> To: az_vjc@y...
> >>>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Speedo gear charts incorrect
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Les,
> >>>>> The chart may well be incorrect, as has been discussed here.
> >>>> However
> >>>>> the chart indicates 4.10 with 35" tires = 34 tooth not 33. I
> >>> used
> >>>>> this chart when I installed 33" tires and the chart indicated
> > a
> >>> 33
> >>>>> tooth gear. I'm within -0.3 MPH according to my GPS.
> > Perhaps
> >> if
> >>>>> everyone in the group could submit their results we could
> > build
> >>> the
> >>>>> first accurate chart. I'm on record as 3.73 gears + 33 tooth
> >>> gear
> >>>> +
> >>>>> 33" tires = -0.3 MPH (65 speedo, 64.7 GPS).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>> I installed a 33 tooth gear yesterday which according to
> > the
> >>>> charts
> >>>>>> is correct for 4.10 gears and 35 inch tires. Now it is way
> >> off.
> >>>> It
> >>>>>> said I was doing 85 on the way to work in the slow lane
> > with
> >>>> people
> >>>>>> flying by. Unfortunately I do not have a GPS to determine
> > my
> >>>> actual
> >>>>>> speed. Any ideas on how to find the correct tooth gear?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Les
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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46011 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:35pm
Subject: RE: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I am now that I know about it.
Scott k
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
To: az vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. Its not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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46012 From: tdog90yj <tdog90yj@h...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:42pm
Subject: Wednesday CK Run?
All the talk about the "damage" has got me interested. Anybody else
want to maybe take a quick look? If there is interest I'll put it up
on the web site if not, thats cool too. Shoot me an email if anybody
wants to go
travis
90YJ
46013 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:49pm
Subject: RE: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Bill,
What's amazing is that when you compare the time I spend reading this AZVJC mail per week to the actual number of hours I spend driving or working on my Jeep per week (if any on some weeks), I definitely spend more time here than in the Jeep. At what point is this a sign of some kind of sickness?
To answer your post, between the mistress (The Jeep), reading all of these mesages, and the wife I have no energy left to argue with all of you anymore
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:41 PM
To: az vjc; DougB
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Kinda figured on you, Stu Olson and perhaps even Joe West. Scott Kruize has been quiet lately. GOD BLESS that woman of his!!!!!!!!
(JK Scott)
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB
To: az vjc ; Bill Mish
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I'll be going.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Mish
To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. Its not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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46014 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:25am
Subject: Re: If you are reading about Crown King, you need to read this
Blah, Blah, Blah. And to think I missed your smiling face around here.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: 'Bill Mish' ; 'az vjc'
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:21 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] If you are reading about Crown King, you need to read this
Bill,
Thats 2 sensible posts from you in one week. You've exceeded your 1 sensible post maximum. We'll have to take this one back until next week.
LOL
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:39 PM
To: az vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] If you are reading about Crown King, you need to read this
OK, before someone gets bent, there's a few things to consider:
1). Operating under an E-mail lag, and person posting may not be checking most current message.
2). "Appears" all the proper channels were gone thru to make the trail modification.
3). "Appears" there may be a double standard when it comes to modifying a "4.0" trail, as opposed to a 2-3 trail.
4). Quite simply, lotsa people seem to be hot over this!
As far as item number 1, the only thing that could have been done is a little more research and a little less typing when it comes to flaming or diametrically opposing the action(s) of a "suspect" club. I suspect it would be prudent to post only if you can contain or channel your emotions constructively. You will save allot of face this way........ or end up eating allot of crow.........
Item number 2 certainly the Forest Service would view this as a "road improvement" , so I see no reason for them to deny a request to "improve" the road. It would be NEARLY impossible for all users of the road to be polled as to whether it would be favorable to "Smooth" the ledge or leave it, and since the runners and the Vintage Bronco Club has been maintaining the trail, I can see the influence they could have, and rightfully so, especially since their money is going to ensuring road conditions are favorable and cleanup efforts are continued.
As for Item 3, proper channels were used. That fact alone makes this unlike any discussion in recent past for modifying a trail.
Now we settle on Item 4, and here is where those people most hurt by this action may see the benefit of belonging to an "Organized club". Fact is, unless you belong to an organized club, and can support activities that cost money and represent "real value" to government agencies, you'll be hard pressed to get them to listen to you.
Sure we do Table Mesa cleanups and Cove clean ups, but we require the agencies to put up dumpsters, trash bags etc. Our efforts do not go unnoticed for sure, but I bet someone would be listening closer if we were lifting a financial burden somewhere. Sorry, Guys and Gals, it's a fact of this world we live in. We're doing fine, but to get upset over this with no financial stake will most likely be fruitless for us.
There's nothing wrong with continuing just like we are, in fact, I'm in favor of that. But I am also in favor of feeling like when I hop on my soapbox, I know that we are well represented in the Off road community. Keep the AZVJC free, use it as a launching platform to introduce new 4 wheelers into our world of responsible 4 wheeling, and perhaps assist the newbie in finding a way to support his or her sport.
In today's world, Accountability goes as far as your last dollar spent.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fwd: FW:
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46015 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 4:31am
Subject: RE: Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I'll be attending. This is on my end of town if anyone wants to meet at my house and caravan together... it might be a cool show of force to arrive as a group.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:azjeep@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:25 PM
To: az vjc; Bill Mish
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
I'll be going.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Mish
To: az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
Just out of curiosity, I would be interested to know how many of you plan to attend?
If the results get overwhelming, we could set up a poll......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Han****
To: arizona rock crawlers four wheel drive club ; az vjc
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Public Meeting for OHV use in Florence Junction/box canyon
**NOTICE**
The Middle Gila Conservation (MGCP) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Resource Advisory Counsel is hosting an open house meeting on March 19, 2002. The meeting will run from 7:00pm to 9:00pm at the Best Western Hotel in Gold Canyon. (Hwy. 60 and Kings Ranch Rd.)
This meeting is open to the public. The Government Agencies would like to hear what Off Highway Vehicle (OHV) community needs or wants regarding OHV recreation in the Florence Junction and Box Canyon area.
This partnership is working towards a multi-use recreation area; we need to all participate in this meeting. It's not very often that we have an opportunity to voice our opinion in a forum such as this. Please wear a red shirt in support of OHV use.
Thank you,
Neal Han****
President of the Arizona Rock Crawlers
Four Wheeldrive Club
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