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    Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Here is an issue upon which all of us, except the water company, can agree:


    Dear Neighbor,


    City Council Meeting, Tuesday Evening Nov. 14 at City Hall at 6 pm. The Agenda, includes the water tank issue item #4 with 45 minutes of discussion allotted to it. Please make an effort to attend and speak. The City Council members are our representatives.


    What is the Issue?

    Sedona is dependent upon private water companies to provide our water needs. In 2002, Arizona Water Company was quoted in the Sedona Community Plan that at Sedona's build out, they projected that another 1,000,000 gallon water tank would be needed to service the east side of Sedona. (You might want to familiarize yourself with the Water Resource Element of the Sedona Community Plan. Visit www.Sedona.gov/documents/view.aspx?PK=60 and read it online.)

    There is no question that this is true. But where shall the tank be placed? At what cost to the community? And why two tanks?

    Good questions. As you probably are aware, the Arizona Water Company (AWC) has applied for a permit with the Forest Service to place two water tanks in the Broken Arrow area near the jeep trail above the Devil's Dining Room in the National Forest. And the City Council is meeting tomorrow night, Tuesday, to discuss it.

    If the permit is granted, there will be an enormous destruction of virgin pinion forest lands, native wildflowers, wildlife watering holes, and other natural resources. I wish that I could send you a picture of the pristine area in which they want to put a huge, football field sized concrete pad, fencing, two huge water tanks and a 4500 foot water line through the forest to the end of Morgan Road, not to mention the roads they need to build around the tanks for building them and servicing them in the future - all will surely irreparably damage that forest area.

    Have you ever walked up the Broken Arrow trail, and climbed onto the smooth red rocks and walked into the Arizona cypress and Pinion forest? Those rocks will be chiseled through 6' or more to make room for the water pipe, and the trees will be cut down, and the path that the Sierra Club built along side the jeep trail for hikers and horseback riders will be completely dug up, and the jeep trail will be dug up too, to make room for the 6' deep 12" pipe to carry the water to 179.

    Oh, and when I asked representatives why two tanks instead of the one they had originally planned, they said while they were building one, it would be cost effective to build two.

    Why Destroy the National Forest?

    See, private land in Sedona is not free. But the land in the forest, in some people's opinion, is. And the neighboring wildlife and vegetation is silent about this. I, as you know, am not. And I hope you won't be. When the land and the vegetation is destroyed in the Broken Arrow area to make room for the tanks and to haul in the equipment to build them, there will be a huge cost, but it won't be monetary, and the Arizona Water Company, a private company, won't have to bear it. We all will.

    What are the Alternatives?

    The water company needs to find a more suitable site - and there must be one. It needs to be around 4500 feet in elevation. I have heard the airport mesa is available, I have heard there is already another tower up there and that the manager is not opposed to more. The land is open and available But Arizona Water Company doesn't want to construct a pipe down the mesa and bring it over the bridge by Tlaquepaque, stating that it will be too expensive. But the destruction of the forest land isn't?


    What is the Real Issue?

    Of course, the bottom line here is cost. AWC has looked at other locations in the national forest, one by the cemetery, one by the Chapel, one by the forest by Courthouse Butte, and they thought about the airport, and in every case, and they have decided, based on linear feet, that the cost of the water line from the tank to the water line on 179 is way too expensive, period. But is it?

    Arizona Water Company has been eyeing the Broken Arrow Trail site for years - engineering studies and all. When asked, representatives from the AWC said there was no other land available for the tanks. They meant vacant land. Why doesn't AWC purchase private property then redevelop/rezone it for water tank usage? This would certainly be a lot cheaper than the cost of putting in a line in the other areas which they've deemed too expensive.

    Just because Broken Arrow and Morgan Road is the cheapest way to get a pipe to 179, doesn't mean it's the best way. And the city council and the citizens it represents should take some responsibility, along with AWC, to find a location that doesn't impact the environment and our community in such a destructive way.


    What Can You Do?

    I urge you to attend tomorrow night to let the City Council know we understand the need for a water tank but don't want to destroy one of the most beautiful places in Sedona just because the land is "cheap."

    Also, if you haven't already done so, please send comments to the Forest Service asking them to reject the permit request in favor of a better location - jadams05@fs.fed.us (Judy Adams).

    And if you would like to be part of a team of reasonable people who support the water company and will help them find a better location - so they don't have to start the process all over again - and face public opposition from a different group of citizens, then please let me know.

    Please forward this email to anyone who wants to protect our environment. It's an opportunity to be heard and take a positive role in community enhancements.

    Sincerely,


    Sarah McLean
    Balance in the Forest Citizen Action Committee
    PO Box 1178
    Sedona, AZ 86339
    (928) 204-0067 home office
    (928) 254-0064 cell
    (866) 654-1705 fax

    balance@esedona.net <mailto:balance@esedona.net>

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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Is anyone going? I wanna go. I'd take my truck up there but it might not make it

    If anyone from Phoenix is going or wanna go but isn't sure I will chip in for gas drinks and food!!!

    WE CAN"T LET BROKEN ARROW CLOSE BECAUSE OF SOME COST EFFECTIVE PROJECT!!! Technically it isn't cost effective since Broken Arrow is big revenue. Sedona will NEVER be the same without Broken Arrow.
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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    I drive a Jeep Rubicon because not all roads are paved.

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    Sent letter to Sarah
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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchChili View Post
    Is anyone going? I wanna go. I'd take my truck up there but it might not make it

    If anyone from Phoenix is going or wanna go but isn't sure I will chip in for gas drinks and food!!!

    WE CAN"T LET BROKEN ARROW CLOSE BECAUSE OF SOME COST EFFECTIVE PROJECT!!! Technically it isn't cost effective since Broken Arrow is big revenue. Sedona will NEVER be the same without Broken Arrow.

    how long will the drive take? i leave work in chandler at 5:30p. i don't think there is a chance in hell i can make it for 6pm.

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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    here is a quick copy and paste if you would like to send an e-mail, but don't want to take the time to write one. and be sure to sign your name.

    Miss Judy Adams,
    I am writing to request that you deny the permit to Arizona Water Company's new structures slated to be built near the popular Broken Arrow Trail. While I may not live in sedona, I do enjoy off highway vehicle use as a hobby, and the scenic Broken Arrow Trail is high on my list of places to visit in the future. Please preserve this trail by finding a more suitable location for Arizona Water Company to place their tanks necessary to support the growth of Sedona. Please try your hardest to preserve our national forest so our children can enjoy the natural beauty as we have.
    Thank you for your time,
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    Exclamation Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Would go if I could, but don't get off until 6PM. Did send an email to Judy Adams, and if you go to http://www.sedonaaz.gov and click on Contact Us, there is a place where you can send a message to council members individually or collectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 61scout80 View Post
    how long will the drive take? i leave work in chandler at 5:30p. i don't think there is a chance in hell i can make it for 6pm.
    Drive from my place is like 1hr20mns....yea u won't make it by 6
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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    I'm not good with letters or perhaps understanding the picture but I try. This is what I sent to her:

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    Dear Sarah McLean,


    I have lived in Arizona for 8 years and for that long I have visited and enjoyed Sedona. As an active outdoor person and member of the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club, often caring and volunteering for cleanups/land management issues, I have to say closing or destroying Broken Arrow and it's surroundings would be a great mistake. Sedona is known for Broken Arrow, wherever I go in Arizona, talk to people even tourist, Broken Arrow is always the main discussion. Broken Arrow is more than just wheeling hiking biking, it's an area so beautiful and fragile it's the reason people understand why the land needs to be protected, taken cared off and one of the ways the word is spread is through tourism, mostly tours. Tours offers us historic knowledge representing or at least letting us believe the city is all about conserving the beauty that makes Sedona so special.
    The water company says it's cost effective? What about the economy Broken Arrow provides? The water company would get better support if they bit their tongue on the cost and built elsewhere, where landscape and personal values aren't so deeply cut. I support building the tanks as I know city growth is inevitable but by all means not Broken Arrow or it's surroundings! Something else to consider, what would happen if they actually built there? Do they really think people would stop using the trails? It has been used for over 50years and I'm sure the extremist would just love to start lawsuits and perhaps damage the facilities, is that cost effective??? NO, the water company needs to understand our needs as we understand theirs. I hope the City of Sedona is not expecting any favors after if they let this go through.
    Sedona would never be the same without that trail. I'll be coming from Phoenix as I hope at least one person from the water company with common sense will say no to this location. I'm only 20, but I understand that decisions made just on "money" when forgetting about other factors will in the end just bite back. That's my 0.02 but I hope it's worth more to the decision makers.

    Sincerely,

    Neal Greene
    AZVJC


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    And this is what I got back...so I sent more letters.

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    Dear Neal,
    Thank you for your letter:
    Could you send it on to the following people - the city council decision makers via their website: http://www.sedonaaz.gov/commission/council.aspx

    The Forest Service via email asking them to reject the permit request in favor of a better location - jadams05@fs.fed.us (Judy Adams).

    And pass the message on to everyone you know in your club Thank you!!

    Sincerely,

    Sarah

    Sarah McLean
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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Message sent....I hope they dont let them get away with it...

    my long winded letter:

    Members Of Council,

    I am writing you today to urge you not to allow the travesty that is about to transpire. The national forest that surrounds the area of Sedona is something that should be treasured and maintained so that our children, our future can enjoy it as much as we have. With the constant urban development, especially in the phoenix metro area, if we don?t do something to protect these areas that have been set aside years ago, a city park may one day be all a child knows of wilderness.

    The proposition made by the Az. Water Company to place two water tanks in the Broken Arrow Trail is absolutely unnecessary and would spoil thousands, if not millions, of acres of land that at one time was felt to be so beautiful that it was to remain that way. I know there are a lot of people who feel the same as I, they arrive in your town everyday to hike, bike, and trail ride horses or OHV's. Not only would you be tearing down the beautiful landscape that nature has given us and replacing it by concrete pads and oversized drums, but you would be driving away those who seek out your town as a recluse from the sprawl of the city.

    It is my understanding that there are several other proposed sites for these tanks that have been declined due to cost, but at what cost to the plants and animals who call the forest home? Is it worth turning away the revenue brought into your town by those who enjoy the Broken Arrow Trail? I am sure that revenue alone would almost certainly cover any extra costs of placing the tank in an already developed area and running a few extra feet of piping.

    So please council members, do not let the Water Company take away the beauty of the Broken Arrow Trail. Once it is gone, others will never again be able to see the true beauty of the Arizona desert.

    Thank you for your time, and I hope you take my words into consideration upon making your decision,
    Tiffany Visniski

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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Here's another response I got:



    Hi Neal-
    Thanks for sharing your concerns. I will certainly consider your remarks
    when we review the proposal this evening. Please understand that this is
    not a City decision. The proposal is made by an independant water
    company to the Forest Service. They are simply seeking our input. The
    area under consideration is outside of the City limits.
    Sincerely,
    Rob Adams
    Councilman, City of Sedona



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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Arizona Water Company being involved in something like this doesn't surprise me a bit. They are owned by a company over in California and their hierarchy are all a bunch of jerks. We've had to deal with them for years up here.
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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    a few people on pirate have sent e-mails as well.

    http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=527213

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    letter sent. Thanks for the notice.
    ...what jeep?

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    Re: Broken Arrow Trail to be Closed...

    Quote Originally Posted by 61scout80 View Post
    a few people on pirate have sent e-mails as well.

    http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=527213
    good work, spread the word. This is one great place, and one of the rarest landscapes in the West...dont mean to sound too much like an enviro but hey at times we do fall on the same side as them on issues like these.
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